how do i get this kick & bass tight`?

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Posted by Gimp on Mar-17-2004 12:20:

how do i get this kick & bass tight`?

well i have many ideas involving trance but to transfer them from my mind thru my fingers in to the computer is harder than i thought hehe...

but my biggest problem of all is to get a fat kick working together with a rolling bass...can someone here help me...

this is my shitty clip:

http://www.geocities.com/soundclips1/clip1.mp3

and i want the kick to work together well with the bass like it's doing in this clip:

http://www.geocities.com/soundclips1/clip2.mp3

can someone help me?

Posted by Jay M on Mar-17-2004 12:27:

Can't hear them right now. But i think i know what you mean. Maybe someone can post anything about *sidechaining* the bass (and does anybody know a good software compressor with this ability??)

I'll listen when I'm back home. Bass is hardest to fix, but very important to fix IMO.

Posted by Cryogenic on Mar-17-2004 12:47:

Don't know if its tighter, but iv'e eq'ed and some other stuff, but both your bass-kick and the bass-line is 'softer' than the other one too.

http://home.chello.no/~cryogen/clip3_eq.mp3

Cheers

Posted by Azza Robinson on Mar-17-2004 13:56:

wot did u use for that b-line? what vst or preset?? sounds top

Posted by hey cheggy on Mar-17-2004 16:35:

Compression might help, but the kick and bassline in the second clip are both a lot deeper sounding. The kick in the first clip is a lot weeker than the second which is a reason why it sounds softer.

Posted by Damie Mckeown on Mar-17-2004 16:56:

I aint listen to the sample but I saw the word Sidechaining and I have to say.

EVERYONE FIGURE THIS OUT AND USE IT COS IT ROCKS THE HOUSE, k
I love side chaining

Posted by Jay M on Mar-17-2004 17:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Damie Mckeown
I aint listen to the sample but I saw the word Sidechaining and I have to say.

EVERYONE FIGURE THIS OUT AND USE IT COS IT ROCKS THE HOUSE, k
I love side chaining

Say Damie, why don't you tell is some details about sidechaining. If you won't, others will.

Do you use soft- or hardware btw. I need a software compressor with sidechaining ability... badly, so I can start experimenting with it

Posted by mize on Mar-17-2004 19:43:

make a submix. take a compressor.. and set rato to 2:3:1 tholde to -20, attack 10 ms and reless to 50ms..

and it well be ok..

and sidegain is for!.. ***** and radio

Posted by Damie Mckeown on Mar-17-2004 19:51:

I use logic which has a Side chain option on its noise gate and Compressor plug ins.

Basicly you send the kick to a bus and then sidechain the compressor/gate thats on the 'for example', Bass channel to side chain of the Bus.

The kick will trigger of the settings of the compressor/gate.

and If you use a prefader option you can have the effect when the kicks actualy muted, FUN!!, great sound.

All of Daft punks tracks are sidechained.....erm, which is good if you like their soundz

Posted by acell on Jul-05-2004 04:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Damie Mckeown

and If you use a prefader option you can have the effect when the kicks actualy muted, FUN!!, great sound.

this is what i'm trying to do in fruity.. trying to get a bassline like in thomas rubin - cold night (dj scot project mix) but i just can't get there.. i'm using the wavles native platnium vsts..

anyone know how i do this? I now understand that i have to use the sound from source 1 (the kick) to triger the comp settings to mute source 2 (bassline) and raise the attack on the off beat (as the kick fades out?? or just with the attack settings???)..

now, how to i link the two? and can i mute the kick as stated above?

anyhelp would be much apreciated!!!

Posted by josh on Jul-05-2004 04:37:

Cubase SX 2 do not have Side Chain mode right?

Posted by DJ-Fuq on Jul-05-2004 04:50:

quote:
Originally posted by acell
this is what i'm trying to do in fruity.. trying to get a bassline like in thomas rubin - cold night (dj scot project mix) but i just can't get there.. i'm using the wavles native platnium vsts..

anyone know how i do this? I now understand that i have to use the sound from source 1 (the kick) to triger the comp settings to mute source 2 (bassline) and raise the attack on the off beat (as the kick fades out?? or just with the attack settings???)..

now, how to i link the two? and can i mute the kick as stated above?

anyhelp would be much apreciated!!!

Have u tried using the peak controller instead of a compressor?

Posted by acell on Jul-05-2004 04:58:

taken from another thread:

quote:
Originally posted by cyrus2k2
atm you can't use sidechaining in fruity, i guess. but at least, you can fake it

1) add a kickdrum and set it to fx-channel 1
2) add the fruity Peak Control to that channel
3) add your pad/bassline/whateever and set it to fx-channel 2
4) add the fruity compressor to that channel
5) right click on the Gain knob and choose "Link To Controller"
6) as the controller choose "Peak cntrl - Peak"
7) try some different settings on the Peak Controller, make sure to set up the Base, Vol and Decay values

now, everytime the bassdrum kicks in, it will lower/raise the gain of the compressor. i think this is exactly what sidechaining does.

i hanven't found a better way, yet...perhaps someone else has.

i'll give this a go, has anyone done it? is there a way to mute the kick?

Posted by DJ-Fuq on Jul-05-2004 05:32:

u dont have to use a compressor on the synth, u can just link its volume to the controller if u want. To mute the kick u have to use the mute button in the peak controller.

Posted by acell on Jul-05-2004 22:12:

worked a treet!