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looking for mixer with this function...

I play out at a club with a vestax pmc-06proA (not a good trance mixer at all but i got use to it). The only feature I like about it is... when i am mixing the cue track i can have the bass (of the cue) all the way down yet in the headphones the bass is not cut out. This allows me to listen to the bass to make sure its right on the entire way through the mix regardless of how much the low eq is. example... i bring in the highs without much low but i can still hear the bass/low of the cue track in the headpones. This is great for long mixes and i can tweek the cue track speed if needed before i bring in the low even after having the highs mixed in for 30+ seconds. The problem with my current mixer (djx700) is when i have the low eq turned down i can no longer hear the lows of the cue track in the headphones. i begin the mix with the low turned down... half way through the mix i begin turning up the low for the cued track... if the mix is already 30+ seconds in the bass may not be perfect so i can tweek the speed but its already being played through the main speakers and it may be noticable. This makes it a bitch to record a demo cd (mith a lot of long mixes) without any mistakes. I cant find a quality mixer other then the pmc-06proA that has this type of configuration. I looking at the Vestax PCV-275 but i cant get my hands on one to test this out before i purchase. can anyone help me out with info on the PCV-275 or any other mixer that is setup this way? and does anyone else have this same issue... if so how do you deal with it? Thanks for your input!

are you saying you don't want to hear eq changes in the cue or do you?

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Originally posted by dj chex are you saying you don't want to hear eq changes in the cue or do you?

Sorry for any confusion... I do not want to hear eq changes in the phones.

Apparently he doesn't want to hear the EQ changes. My old PMC-03A mixer did the same thing. Changes on the EQ wouldn't affect the headphones. It makes it a little more tricky, but I really like the DJM-600 now and how I can hear what the EQ changes are in the headphones.... I think with a little more time you will learn to like it too

argh, i hate it when i can change the eq in the phones!

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Originally posted by Dirk W. Apparently he doesn't want to hear the EQ changes. My old PMC-03A mixer did the same thing. Changes on the EQ wouldn't affect the headphones. It makes it a little more tricky, but I really like the DJM-600 now and how I can hear what the EQ changes are in the headphones.... I think with a little more time you will learn to like it too

my mixers at home have always been like that... but i would much rather the eq's not change in the phones... i hate beat matching with the low eq up and then right before i start the mix turn it down and then fade it up after i begin to mix... the problem comes when mixing for over a minute... when i bring the highs in from the cue for like 45 seconds before i want the lows added... it will just about always need adjusting after that long in the mix but i would rather make the adjustment before bringing in the lows because its less noticeable to the crowd when adjusting with the lows droped or turned down. just my preference. it would be nice to have the option.

I don't think there is an option. It either does it or doesn't. Most of my transistions are in the minute range. You just have to listen carefully in the headphones. Once you have some highs or mids in the headphones, it is fairly easy to determine what the bassline is doing or if it is on time. Small adjustments can still be made that won't be detected by the audience if you have your game right.... Yes, it is difficult. I am still getting used to it, but 95% of the time, its not a big deal anymore.

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Originally posted by Dirk W. I don't think there is an option. It either does it or doesn't. Most of my transistions are in the minute range. You just have to listen carefully in the headphones. Once you have some highs or mids in the headphones, it is fairly easy to determine what the bassline is doing or if it is on time. Small adjustments can still be made that won't be detected by the audience if you have your game right.... Yes, it is difficult. I am still getting used to it, but 95% of the time, its not a big deal anymore.

its just a preference of mine. I am not new to any of this... i have have a biweekley sat night residencey for over a year now so its not like I just picked it up or we all know a "im a dj now!!" kinda guy... I just want to find a quality mixer for my home setup that the eq's dont effect the phones. When i play out i also rather have the eq's not effect the phones because its loud and i like to listen to the mix through the monitors and check the bass line via phones. I find it less taxing on me when spinning for 3-4 hours at a time or for recording. I cant be the only one who prefers it this way...?

Well, trust me. In no way was I implying that you are a fly-by-night DJ. I am sure you could teach me plenty Just making generalized comments - nothing referring to you or your level of playing. I have that PMC-03A that I want to sell if you're interested. I will sell it fairly cheap and it's mint. The EQs dont mess with the headphones. That offer is open to everyone by the way....

not being able to hear EQ changes in the headphones is a nightmare. What if you want to turn the treble up on a track with a weak kick, so u can cue it better? Or hear how the track sounds with different EQ settings before you bring it in?

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Originally posted by Revel not being able to hear EQ changes in the headphones is a nightmare. What if you want to turn the treble up on a track with a weak kick, so u can cue it better? Or hear how the track sounds with different EQ settings before you bring it in?

as far as the treble question... i guess it all depends on how well you know the track. i never play tracks out before i know them well or at least i know what type of tracks it will go with, both in and out. some songs it is helpful to have the eq settings change in the phones but in most cases for me it doesnt. i would most likely turn up the phones if needed but that shouldnt be a problem if you have good head phones.

second question... again i think it depends on how well you know the track. play with it at home and record everything... then listen to it on the way to work (or else where) and learn what works and what doesnt. store everything you hear in your brain for later use... after you do this enough it comes natural when your playing out.

not sure if this answers your questions but thats just the way I do it... not that any way is right or wrong!

hmm.. on my mixer the EQs do affect the headphones, and i like it like that. however i think the option of having the EQs not affect the headphones would be nice.


just in case, just for shits and giggles

I find it easier to beatmatch using the hi-hats rather than the bass anyway... A lot of the time, DJ headphones and mixers muddy the bass quite a bit, making it inaccurate and therefore spoiling the mix. Higher frequencies (e.g. hi-hats and synths) don't tend to suffer from this as much.

I think it's important to be able to use both types of mixer however. You never know what mixers you will run into when playing out, and if you are only really capable of using a mixer where the eq's don't change, or vice versa, then you will end up doing a crap set.

I always find the answers on such threads amusing. It's like half the people try to justify why their system is the best.

For god's sake, if people prefer it without EQ changes in the phones, then so be it (I myself was used to hearing eq changes in the phones, but had to adjust because the Xone:62 cue is pre EQ. Now really, I prefer that...).

Some Vestax mixers have that, but not all, it's just a matter of asking to the vendor. You'll want to ask if the cue is pre eq (EQ doesn't affect phones), or post (it affects).

The Xone range is the best example of this. If you want the choice, the Xone:92 has a selector switch. But of course, this mixer is out of the price range for most of you.

The Vestax pmc-170a mixer i used to have can do wut u want, and has the option of hearing eq changes in the phones. I'm not too sure if its newer versions(pcv-175, 180) come equipped with it or not, but just a suggestion since thats the thing u're looking for plus it is a better mixer for trance by far (How the hell can u use an pmc-06 to mix!? It's possible, but u run the risk of cutting up your finger tips everytime u do a knob tweak!).

why would you not want eq changes in the headphones? im very confused.. buy some oldschool battle mixer if you dont want it

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Originally posted by Dj Thy I always find the answers on such threads amusing. It's like half the people try to justify why their system is the best. For god's sake, if people prefer it without EQ changes in the phones, then so be it (I myself was used to hearing eq changes in the phones, but had to adjust because the Xone:62 cue is pre EQ. Now really, I prefer that...). Some Vestax mixers have that, but not all, it's just a matter of asking to the vendor. You'll want to ask if the cue is pre eq (EQ doesn't affect phones), or post (it affects). The Xone range is the best example of this. If you want the choice, the Xone:92 has a selector switch. But of course, this mixer is out of the price range for most of you.

OH MY GOD!!! Someone actually understood what i was getting at! its all preference! And you gave me exactly what i was looking for... Xone:92... i have been looking for a high quality mixer that has the pre eq... it seams that most people (in the thread) think that it is better to have the phones post eq. I have used both for a long time but have never heard any talk about it on the forum until i posted about it. so i was just looking for a good mixer and how others like, dislike what they have etc. I myself am a perfectionist and want things the way i like them. in this case its pre eq. some people also like to think of pre eq as cheep mixers when i know thats not true! i.e. A&H Xone:92! looks like a great mixer just never got to try it yet. and yes people always turn questions into a pissing contest of what they have is better of what they do is better even after i said its all PREFERENCE! yet another reason why i dont post often! thanks for the info on the Xone:92... you know what your talking about and it shows you understand where im coming.

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Originally posted by BeatSMiTH (How the hell can u use an pmc-06 to mix!? It's possible, but u run the risk of cutting up your finger tips everytime u do a knob tweak!).

The first time i looked at it i was like but after i used it for an hour or so i got use to it. it actualy creates very smooth mixes due to it only having highs and low nobs. the mids are kinda split into the highs and lows so if forces you to handle the eqs with caution. hey you gota adapt to the situation. and its a quality mixer just not the best for trance! i want to get something like the Xone so i can hook it up in the club if needed.

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Originally posted by dcougar99 OH MY GOD!!! Someone actually understood what i was getting at! its all preference! And you gave me exactly what i was looking for... Xone:92... i have been looking for a high quality mixer that has the pre eq... it seams that most people (in the thread) think that it is better to have the phones post eq. I have used both for a long time but have never heard any talk about it on the forum until i posted about it. so i was just looking for a good mixer and how others like, dislike what they have etc. I myself am a perfectionist and want things the way i like them. in this case its pre eq. some people also like to think of pre eq as cheep mixers when i know thats not true! i.e. A&H Xone:92! looks like a great mixer just never got to try it yet. and yes people always turn questions into a pissing contest of what they have is better of what they do is better even after i said its all PREFERENCE! yet another reason why i dont post often! thanks for the info on the Xone:92... you know what your talking about and it shows you understand where im coming.

Yeah, the Xone:92 leaves you the choice. It has a pre/post switch.
The Xone:62/464 have pre as standard (don't remember for the 02/32/V6 though), but it can be switched internally. The 92 is the best of both worlds as you can see.
As it stands, the 92 is probably the most powerful mixer in the world. Still I'm happy with my 62, I can't find anything yet to justify the switch to a 92.

my mate has a Behringer VMX300. there are standard treble mid bass controls that effect the headphones and the output but there are also kill switches for treble mid and bass that will only effect the output, not the headphones. not saying its a good mixer, just that it has this function.

the a&h xone:32 can be modified such that cueing is pre-eq.

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