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Posted by escee on Mar-19-2004 06:06:

The theory of "Download My Mix"

When making a mix that you intend to give out to people and have people listen to, how important do you feel having new tracks in the mix is? By new im talking 0-3 months old.

Would you prefer new new tracks that everyone is caning at that moment? or virtually unheard of new tracks/older ones? or a mix of both? Im curious what people look out for when they view a download my mix thread and decide to actually download the mix.

Personally, id prefer tunes id not heard before/havent been played to death by armin, sasha, and co.

ps: This thread goes for prog and trance, hence the inclusion of the top djs in each genre that a lot of people seem to copy.


Posted by Psygnosis on Mar-19-2004 06:12:

Tracks that interest you, who cares if the song is new, it could be crap.

I like seeing old songs with new, cause it just shows you doing something different than being anyone else.


Posted by Salem on Mar-19-2004 06:16:

^^^ yea i agree man, I think sets should be whatever the dj is feeling, rather than just trying to plug what is knew in...that being said, a set cant be to to stail..incorperate the knew with the old, all shall be fine


Posted by gumble on Mar-19-2004 06:18:

tracks i havent heard before.


new ones at that.


unless its a friends mix.


Posted by djway on Mar-19-2004 06:19:

Personally,

If it's an online demo I like to make it fresh as, something as tight and up front as possible.

A hand out demo, something that will be going to those perhaps less involved in the scene, I mix up the fresh as tracks with some of the less cained tracks of the last 5 months and some golden oldies; something that reflects what I'd play in a club in the current point of time. Also mixed as tight as possible (IE up to 5 takes).

--djway


Posted by jizza on Mar-19-2004 06:59:

omg i think on this occassion i'll have to agree with psicknosis

this is my theory;

=> i mix songs i like
=> i dont like many new songs hence i dont have em in my mix
=> because of this i tend to feel inadequate cos i may not be taken seriously
=> in the end, i couldn't care less, i just play what i like.

[/ghetto sista]

so to recap, i dont really consider any of those factors stated as critical or important... i dictate what i play and then if i feel its "acceptable", i'll keep the listener in mind.


Posted by Xavier on Mar-19-2004 07:02:

a combination of both, with some good vocals over the top like my session last Monday on au.ta radio.


hey guys!!!!
download my mix!!! download my mix!!! download my mix!!!

People download my mix!


Posted by gumble on Mar-19-2004 07:38:

if its a promo, then sure have a few recognisable tracks in it.

if its to give to promoters and friends etc...


if its a "download my mix" type which is mainly intended for ppl on say, TA;

i wont even look twice unless its all new stuff, theres no point listening to the same stuff as the next person in a different order.


Posted by JayKuE on Mar-19-2004 08:35:

ooh. good thread.

personally, new and old. and when i mean new, i don't mean recent promos top jocks are caning. basically unknown/unheard. there's a lot of untapped shit out there if you bother to search new releases each week + suscribe to store/label mailing lists. top jocks are human, and they're not able to find everything. there're new tunes, that become huge only months after their release date. e.g. petter - these days : immediately comes to mind.

while its nice to see a tracklist of unheard/unknown tunes, unless you're familiar with the dj's style, enticement with 1-3 familiar tunes is wise. that'll do the trick for me.


Posted by matt_a on Mar-19-2004 09:13:

Bit of a problem for me to answer,

Because the majority of my mixes these days seem to be older stuff, i just dont have the dosh while at school to get shitloads of vinyl.

But i dunno, i dont care if its a classic mix, to brand spankers, as long as the whole set canes, and there are no fillers. Sorry but im an anti-filler dude, if im gonna play a set i want every track to be a stormer, or at least so the whole mix flows well and it keeps pumping. I dunno, but sets like Oakenfold at Gatecrasher 99 . . sets like that are just the bomb, it never halts, flows brilliantly, and no fillers. Top Shit.

But yeh bring on the new the old and the inbetween!


Posted by venomdx on Mar-19-2004 09:49:

I'd rather hear good tracks which have been played by the big guys (but I personally am not yet sick of) than shite unknown tracks.

A set full of great previously unheard tracks would be awesome... but I don't think thats very realistic.


Posted by Lanithium on Mar-19-2004 10:34:

new mostly

i just play whatever i want whether it be caned or unheard of

im not going to try play stuff i dont like just to get gigs or be 'original'


Posted by ONION on Mar-19-2004 11:58:

In a demo, one would need to set him or herself out from the rest of the dj pack...

So do not do the following:

- Play the tunes that the big names play
- Play "Anthems"
- Drop a cheesy track because you think the listener wont appreciate your set


If you start playing what the 'big names' play, you just become a sheep like everyone else, because in reality, mixing is quite simple. What seperates you from other djs, is whats in your crate..

It doesnt matter how old or new the tracks are... I once played 5 tracks in a set that were written 10 years ago to a group of friends who knew their Trance... they asked me what the names of the tracks were and asked where they could score the records... i didnt tell them shit : )


Posted by Ves on Mar-19-2004 12:01:

i'd prefer to hear a bunch of fresh tracks which i haven't heard before for the majority of a set, with a few good ol' ones i know and love interspersed between them. it's not that i don't like old tracks, but if i wanted to listen to them i'd just put on one of the old sets i've downloaded. i'm not going to waste my time downloading some uninspired trite that i first heard six months ago.

although there's a distinct difference between "download my mix" and a set at an actual event..it's a completely different type of audience. this is just what i feel when i'm sittin at home in front of the comp.


Posted by RobSolaris on Mar-19-2004 13:16:

quote:
Originally posted by ONION
I once played 5 tracks in a set that were written 10 years ago to a group of friends who knew their Trance... they asked me what the names of the tracks were and asked where they could score the records... i didnt tell them shit : )


hehe that isn't very nice

my tracklisting is always on display by request
it doesn't matter if they know what i play
if its been that long it would be out of print anyways hehe...


Posted by Mangler on Mar-19-2004 13:29:

ask JPL, he's been studying theories


Posted by matt_a on Mar-20-2004 06:01:

quote:
Originally posted by ONION
In a demo, one would need to set him or herself out from the rest of the dj pack...

So do not do the following:

- Play the tunes that the big names play
- Play "Anthems"
- Drop a cheesy track because you think the listener wont appreciate your set


If you start playing what the 'big names' play, you just become a sheep like everyone else, because in reality, mixing is quite simple. What seperates you from other djs, is whats in your crate..

It doesnt matter how old or new the tracks are... I once played 5 tracks in a set that were written 10 years ago to a group of friends who knew their Trance... they asked me what the names of the tracks were and asked where they could score the records... i didnt tell them shit : )


Thats rubbish, because al of the big names play the good tracks. So if you dont play what the "big names" are you will end up playing the tripe that no one wants to touch. Its all about how you create a set. If you play breaks/prog, learn to scratch, in fact all djs should learn this, learn how to sample anything, find tracks that you can mashup together, layer mids and hi's from other tracks. Dont get stuck in the rut of playing a track, waiting 6 minutes and mixing into the next. Thats when playing the big tracks isnt gonna help ya.

Be creative, dont be afraid to try new stuff (you think Zabiela found how to do all his wickid effects and mashups by accidentally throwing two tracks together, dont think so.)

Have Fun


Posted by Breeze on Mar-20-2004 07:09:

quote:
Originally posted by ONION
In a demo, one would need to set him or herself out from the rest of the dj pack...

So do not do the following:

- Play the tunes that the big names play
- Play "Anthems"
- Drop a cheesy track because you think the listener wont appreciate your set


If you start playing what the 'big names' play, you just become a sheep like everyone else, because in reality, mixing is quite simple. What seperates you from other djs, is whats in your crate..

It doesnt matter how old or new the tracks are... I once played 5 tracks in a set that were written 10 years ago to a group of friends who knew their Trance... they asked me what the names of the tracks were and asked where they could score the records... i didnt tell them shit : )


man what kinda listener are u trying to attract??? everyone likes a couple of anthems in a mix. Can u tell me some tunes that are good that the big names dont play? But i have to agree with u on ya last point there , coz i dont like cheese.


Posted by Philby on Mar-22-2004 01:22:

quote:
Originally posted by ONION
In a demo, one would need to set him or herself out from the rest of the dj pack...

So do not do the following:

- Play the tunes that the big names play
- Play "Anthems"
- Drop a cheesy track because you think the listener wont appreciate your set


If you start playing what the 'big names' play, you just become a sheep like everyone else, because in reality, mixing is quite simple. What seperates you from other djs, is whats in your crate..



whats wrong with playing a track the 'big names' play? if you find something and you like it and they happen to play it too, are gonna not play it just because they are? or maybe you hear them play something and you like it too, just because you play something someone else does doesn't mean you are a sheep. if its a good track then who cares who is playing it? whats wrong with having similar tastes to someone else? not everybody can dig for records and find some obscure track that nobody else has heard all the time.


Posted by muli on Mar-22-2004 02:32:

i think what he is saying philby is dont playing the exact same set as say Armin isnt the best way to go.

Yea its fine to like the same tracks as them but throw in tracks that people wouldn't expect, mix it differently etc.. just make your mix diff to the rest.


But thats not always the good way either, personally to get gigs you are best making a mix aimed at that promoter & night, not every promoter wants the same mix.


Posted by Philby on Mar-23-2004 13:22:

quote:
Originally posted by muli
i think what he is saying philby is dont playing the exact same set as say Armin isnt the best way to go.

Yea its fine to like the same tracks as them but throw in tracks that people wouldn't expect, mix it differently etc.. just make your mix diff to the rest.


But thats not always the good way either, personally to get gigs you are best making a mix aimed at that promoter & night, not every promoter wants the same mix.


well why not play the same as armin? if you love him and he comes over here once or twice every 12 months wouldn't you still love to hear the same kinda stuff he would be playing? if you just copy the same set then sure maybe it isn't very original but what are you gonna do? stay home every weekend because the local dj 'is the same as armin'? if someone goes out, sees a dj, comes back saying it was just like armin i would think thats a good thing


Posted by muli on Mar-24-2004 00:10:

FINE! be like that see if i care



Posted by Master_Yoda on Mar-24-2004 11:41:

strange poll...

a mix of new and current songs would be the best bet.

We wouldn't know the new, and the ones being played would be among our currect favourites.


Posted by ONION on Mar-24-2004 14:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Philby
whats wrong with playing a track the 'big names' play? if you find something and you like it and they happen to play it too, are gonna not play it just because they are? or maybe you hear them play something and you like it too, just because you play something someone else does doesn't mean you are a sheep. if its a good track then who cares who is playing it? whats wrong with having similar tastes to someone else? not everybody can dig for records and find some obscure track that nobody else has heard all the time.


Copying a 'big name DJs' tracklist isnt exactly fresh, you want to be different. You want to have the cream tunes no one else has. You want to drop tracks no one else is dropping...

Sure you may love the tracks Armin / PVD / Tiesto / Ferry are dropping... but if you think about the amount of music that exists in the world, you could find plenty of awesome vinyl that none of those DJs have ever played in their sets...

When you get to the point when you have refined/matured taste, and you are picky about the music you play, people will really take notice in what you are playing.


Posted by ONION on Mar-24-2004 15:12:

quote:
Originally posted by matt_a
Thats rubbish, because al of the big names play the good tracks. So if you dont play what the "big names" are you will end up playing the tripe that no one wants to touch. Its all about how you create a set. If you play breaks/prog, learn to scratch, in fact all djs should learn this, learn how to sample anything, find tracks that you can mashup together, layer mids and hi's from other tracks. Dont get stuck in the rut of playing a track, waiting 6 minutes and mixing into the next. Thats when playing the big tracks isnt gonna help ya.

Be creative, dont be afraid to try new stuff (you think Zabiela found how to do all his wickid effects and mashups by accidentally throwing two tracks together, dont think so.)

Have Fun



"Thats rubbish, because al of the big names play the good tracks."

- That needs to be in a sig... hahaha

"So if you dont play what the "big names" are you will end up playing the tripe that no one wants to touch."

- Fucking roofles. That mentatlity just indicates complete insecurity in your own musical taste. You are saying in order to have good taste, you MUST like what the big name djs are playing, otherwise its shit because no one else is playing it. LOL what a classic.

"Be creative, dont be afraid to try new stuff"
- yes try new stuff like playing tracks big name djs play *cough*... thats a contradiction if I ever saw one.


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