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US Preparing for Military Draft in Spring 2005/planned on bombing Iraq day of 9/11

My brother emailed me this today:


http://www.vancouver.indymedia.org/...4/01/105146.php

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US Preparing for Military Draft in Spring 2005 by Adam Stutz � Wednesday January 28, 2004 at 09:50 AM The current agenda of the US federal government is to reinstate the draft in order to staff up for a protracted war on "terrorism." Pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills S 89 and HR 163) would time the program so the draft could begin at early as Spring 2005 -- conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election! Reinstatement of the draft Dear Friends and Family, I urge you to read the article below on the current agenda of the federal government to reinstate the draft in order to staff up for a protracted war on "terrorism." Pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills S 89 and HR 163) would time the program so the draft could begin at early as Spring 2005 -- conveniently just after the 2004 presidential election! But the administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed NOW, so our action is needed immediately. Details and links follow. If voters who currently support U.S. aggression abroad were confronted with the possibility that their own children or grandchildren might not have a say about whether to fight, many of these same voters might have a change of mind. (Not that it should make a difference, but this plan would among other things eliminate higher education as a shelter and would not exclude women -- and Canada is no longer an option.) Please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents.... And let your children know -- it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change! Please also write to your representatives to ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills -- and write to newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story. The Draft* $28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. SSS must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the SSS Annual Performance Plan - Fiscal Year 2004. The Pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of Congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft. http://www.informationclearinghouse...article5146.htm Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and H.R. 163 forward this year, entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the Committee on Armed Services. Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era remember. College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the US signed a "Smart Border Declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's Minister of Foreign Affairs, John Manley, and US Homeland Security Director, Gov. Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their cur-rent semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year. *This article by Adam Stutz is from the "What's Hot Off the Press" column of the newsletter of Project Censored, a media research group at Sonoma State University that tracks the news published in independent journals and newsletters. From these, Project Censored compiles an annual list (more than 20 years running) of 25 news stories of social significance that have been overlooked, under-reported, or self-censored by the country's major national news media. The mission of Project Censored is "to educate people about the role of independent journalism in a democratic society and to tell The News That Didn't Make the News and why." "What's Hot Off the Press" includes student synopses of articles currently being investigated for inclusion in the next Project Censored report. For more info and/or to receive Project Censored's newsletter, go to http://www.projectcensored.org, or email [censored]@sonoma.edu

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm..._retaliation_dc

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Ex-Advisor Says Bush Eyed Bombing of Iraq on 9/11 Fri Mar 19, 7:20 PM ET Add World - Reuters to My Yahoo! NEW YORK (Reuters) - A former White House anti-terrorism advisor says the Bush administration considered bombing Iraq (news - web sites) in retaliation after Sept. 11, 2001 even though it was clear al Qaeda had carried out the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon (news - web sites). Richard Clarke, who headed a cybersecurity board that gleaned intelligence from the Internet, told CBS "60 Minutes" in an interview to be aired on Sunday he was surprised administration officials turned immediately toward Iraq instead of al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden (news - web sites). "They were talking about Iraq on 9/11. They were talking about it on 9/12," Clarke says. Clarke said he was briefing President Bush (news - web sites) and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld among other top officials in the aftermath of the devastating attacks. "Rumsfeld was saying we needed to bomb Iraq. ... We all said, 'but no, no. Al Qaeda is in Afghanistan (news - web sites)," recounts Clarke, "and Rumsfeld said, 'There aren't any good targets in Afghanistan and there are lots of good targets in Iraq."' Clarke, an advisor to four presidents, left his position in February 2003 after the White House transferred functions of the cybersecurity board to Homeland Security. Clarke's comments are the latest to raise the question of the Bush administration's focus on overthrowing Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein (news - web sites). Former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, fired in a shake-up of Bush's economic team in December 2002, told "60 Minutes" in an interview aired in January he never saw any evidence Iraq had weapons of mass destruction -- Bush's main justification for going to war. O'Neill also charged that Bush entered office intent on invading Iraq and ousting its leader, Saddam Hussein. "I think they wanted to believe that there was a connection" between Iraq and al Qaeda, Clarke tells "60 Minutes." "But the CIA (news - web sites) was sitting there, the FBI (news - web sites) was sitting there, I was sitting there, saying, 'We've looked at this issue for years. For years we've looked and there's just no connection,"' says Clarke.

What idiots.

I doubt that the draft will be reinstated, they're are way too many implications and repercussions that will happen if such actions are taken, even if Bush gets re-elected.

More details on the so called 2005 draft:

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Seattle Post-Intelligencer: "The government is taking the first steps toward a targeted military draft of Americans with special skills in computers and foreign languages... officials at the Selective Service System, the independent federal agency that would organize any conscription, stress that the possibility of a so-called 'special skills draft' is remote. Nonetheless, the agency has begun the process of creating the procedures and policies to conduct such a targeted draft in case military officials ask Congress to authorize it and the lawmakers agree to such a request...Flahavan said Selective Service planning for a possible draft of linguists and computer experts began last fall after Pentagon personnel officials said the military needed more people with skills in those areas."

i thought hackers were the new age soldiers

I see a grim future ahead

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.163:

looks like indy media is using the same tactic as debka news.

what shocke and awe

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Originally posted by Yoepus looks like indy media is using the same tactic as debka news. what shocke and awe

I guess you guys didn't bother reading anything from the link that I posted - considering you only commented on the dumb photo-op picture.

"You know I could run for governor but I'm basically a media creation. I've never done anything. I've worked for my dad. I worked in the oil business. But that's not the kind of profile you have to have to get elected to public office."

- George W. Bush, 1989




btw, what are you referring to in regards to Indy Media? I'm lost by that one.

BTW,
http://www.snopes.com/photos/binoculars.asp

from the link

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Originally posted by Trancer-X I guess you guys didn't bother reading anything from the link that I posted

Universal National Service Act of 2003 (Introduced in House)

HR 163 IH


108th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 163
To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 7, 2003
Mr. RANGEL (for himself, Mr. MCDERMOTT, Mr. CONYERS, Mr. LEWIS of Georgia, Mr. STARK, and Mr. ABERCROMBIE) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Armed Services



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A BILL
To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; TABLE OF CONTENTS.

(a) SHORT TITLE- This Act may be cited as the `Universal National Service Act of 2003'.

(b) TABLE OF CONTENTS- The table of contents for this Act is as follows:

Sec. 1. Short title; table of contents.

Sec. 2. National service obligation.

Sec. 3. Two-year period of national service.

Sec. 4. Implementation by the President.

Sec. 5. Induction.

Sec. 6. Deferments and postponements.

Sec. 7. Induction exemptions.

Sec. 8. Conscientious objection.

Sec. 9. Discharge following national service.

Sec. 10. Registration of females under the Military Selective Service Act.

Sec. 11. Relation of Act to registration and induction authority of Military Selective Service Act.

Sec. 12. Definitions.

SEC. 2. NATIONAL SERVICE OBLIGATION.

(a) OBLIGATION FOR YOUNG PERSONS- It is the obligation of every citizen of the United States, and every other person residing in the United States, who is between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a period of national service as prescribed in this Act unless exempted under the provisions of this Act.

(b) FORM OF NATIONAL SERVICE- National service under this Act shall be performed either--

(1) as a member of an active or reverse component of the uniformed services; or

(2) in a civilian capacity that, as determined by the President, promotes the national defense, including national or community service and homeland security.

(c) INDUCTION REQUIREMENTS- The President shall provide for the induction of persons covered by subsection (a) to perform national service under this Act.

(d) SELECTION FOR MILITARY SERVICE- Based upon the needs of the uniformed services, the President shall--

(1) determine the number of persons covered by subsection (a) whose service is to be performed as a member of an active or reverse component of the uniformed services; and

(2) select the individuals among those persons who are to be inducted for military service under this Act.

(e) CIVILIAN SERVICE- Persons covered by subsection (a) who are not selected for military service under subsection (d) shall perform their national service obligation under this Act in a civilian capacity pursuant to subsection (b)(2).

SEC. 3. TWO-YEAR PERIOD OF NATIONAL SERVICE.

(a) GENERAL RULE- Except as otherwise provided in this section, the period of national service performed by a person under this Act shall be two years.

(b) GROUNDS FOR EXTENSION- At the discretion of the President, the period of military service for a member of the uniformed services under this Act may be extended--

(1) with the consent of the member, for the purpose of furnishing hospitalization, medical, or surgical care for injury or illness incurred in line of duty; or

(2) for the purpose of requiring the member to compensate for any time lost to training for any cause.

(c) EARLY TERMINATION- The period of national service for a person under this Act shall be terminated before the end of such period under the following circumstances:

(1) The voluntary enlistment and active service of the person in an active or reverse component of the uniformed services for a period of at least two years, in which case the period of basic military training and education actually served by the person shall be counted toward the term of enlistment.

(2) The admission and service of the person as a cadet or midshipman at the United States Military Academy, the United States Naval Academy, the United States Air Force Academy, the Coast Guard Academy, or the United States Merchant Marine Academy.

(3) The enrollment and service of the person in an officer candidate program, if the person has signed an agreement to accept a Reserve commission in the appropriate service with an obligation to serve
on active duty if such a commission is offered upon completion of the program.


(4) Such other grounds as the President may establish.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X I guess you guys didn't bother reading anything from the link that I posted - considering you only commented on the dumb photo-op picture.

Typically I don't bother reading anything you post

But so what, what make syou beleive Bush would not veto a bill even on the slim likelyhood it would pass?

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"You know I could run for governor but I'm basically a media creation. I've never done anything. I've worked for my dad. I worked in the oil business. But that's not the kind of profile you have to have to get elected to public office." - George W. Bush, 1989

What a difference 15 years make. Or shall we conviently forget he was the govenor of Texas?

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btw, what are you referring to in regards to Indy Media? I'm lost by that one.

the article is from this source:
" http://www.vancouver.indymedia.org/ "

I honestly think there is a slim chance of this happening due to the results of the draft from previous wars. I don't think America is in a state to deal with the anti-draft demonstrations that will be created by youngsters, which, in retrospect, would be ten times larger the percentage of the population that would protest this time around. America simply cannot deal with any more negative public opinion than it is already recieving. Perhaps had the country made an obligation to enlist from the beginning of the revolution and constitution in America once breaking away from Britain, reactions would be different. But they did not. They made the service a completely voluntary option, and to disregard civil rights at a time when unity is much needed in a country that is at a disasterous war, the probability that this bill will pass is really slim.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Typically I don't bother reading anything you post

Which is probably just another reason why you will always maintain such a myopic understanding of our world.

You don't seem to want to even make an attempt to understand anything that doesn't fit neatly into your narrow-minded belief system.

You're either just too ignorant or too afraid to step out of your comfort zone.

Poor child, I feel for you.

Time Out! No draft is forthcoming. No change is planned for other than all volunteer military. Believe me I know....


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Originally posted by Yoepus What a difference 15 years make. Or shall we conviently forget he was the govenor of Texas?

Oops, I forgot...

As far as the Governor of Texas, yeah he was, wasn't he? And what a bang-up job he did.

*cough* *cough*

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/11/24/bush/

and we may never know about the rest

http://www.austinchronicle.com/issu...ls_feature.html

http://www.salon.com/politics/featu...7/bush_records/

http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2001/11/eo-pra.html

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Originally posted by Trancer-X Which is probably just another reason why you will always maintain such a myopic understanding of our world. [/quotes] bargh! my longterm vision is bah goner because I can't reader your articles AHHHHHHH [quote] You don't seem to want to even make an attempt to understand anything that doesn't fit neatly into your narrow-minded belief system. You're either just too ignorant or too afraid to step out of your comfort zone.

Of course its nice and warm and comfortable in my comfort zone

I would venture out if I knew you weren't trying to make me step out into an illusion.

I'm not going to read a bill that has 0% likelyhood of being passed. It was legislated a year ago, probably either voted down - on the scant possibility it actual even reached the house floor.

Most your articles are opinions - I don't need opinions, I got enough of them on my own. When you have facts present them, otherwise let me interpert them as I wish, and you can do as you wish with them.

I know better than any salon article what Bush has and hasn't done for the state of Texas. I didn't favor him as Govenor. I do favor him as President.

Regardless, he did serve a respectable term and that is 'enough' political experience - as much as Regan had - to become President in the USA. You can't do it with no xp.

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Poor child, I feel for you.

cool... I'm a very, very poor child indeed, would your pity carry far enough for charity of $100 or so?





plus, why do you always have to post links for your opinions?
how come you never formulate your own?

most your post are always links repersenting your viewpoint, if you are to lazy to express your viewpoint in your own words, don't think I am any less lazy actually reading over your links

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Originally posted by Yoepus Of course its nice and warm and comfortable in my comfort zone I would venture out if I knew you weren't trying to make me step out into an illusion.

Reality = an illusion? How so?

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I'm not going to read a bill that has 0% likelyhood of being passed. It was legislated a year ago, probably either voted down - on the scant possibility it actual even reached the house floor.

You're just too ignorant to care to see what the latest trends are in legislation. Patriot II is alive and well with portions of it wrapped up in other bills.

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Most your articles are opinions - I don't need opinions, I got enough of them on my own. When you have facts present them, otherwise let me interpert them as I wish, and you can do as you wish with them.

Interpert (sic) to your stupid hearts desire.

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plus, why do you always have to post links for your opinions? how come you never formulate your own?

Okay, so just because I am able to find links that relate to my views, that means I am unable to formulate my own opinions? Nice logic.

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most your post are always links repersenting your viewpoint, if you are to lazy to express your viewpoint in your own words, don't think I am any less lazy actually reading over your links

Well, I guess I read (as well as copy and paste) much faster than I type. At least I repersent (sic) with intelligent and insightful commentaries and/or articles.

I never called you lazy, just stupid and ignorant.

~Peace

dont u draft when its an emergency. like, say your being attacked by (convention) combat forces, and your country's military cant defend the country b/c they dont have enough personnel, thats the time to draft. not in a war half-way across the world, with no direct threat to the country's sovereignty.

and its not our fault that our gov't initiated an unnecessary war. its the gov't problem, not ours. if they are having trouble, tough luck, we never wanted this war anyways, your going to have to deal with the consequences you brought upon yourself. thats what i say..

oh, and start looking for an apartment in mexico...say cancun??

There' no draft forthcoming. What is the problem with you people?


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