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harmonic mixing, pitch, and the djm-600

ok so ive been getting into harmonic mixing, i understand all the theory behind it all. i use a djm600, which has a pitch effects, the specs say it allows for a +-1 octave. so if im modulating from a 1a to a 3a which has a speed difference of about 3-4 bpm, it will sound borderline of what is 'sour' right? so, if i used the pitch effects button and lowered or brought up the pitch just a little should this help accomadate for the 'sourness' of the mix?

if you still dont get at what im asking is; say my outgoing track is in a minor, at 135 bpm. the incoming track is in b minor at 139 bpm. though it should be ok, since the difference is roughly 3%, sometimes it sounds a little 'sour' or offkey or whatnot. this is due to the incoming track being slowed down and therefore almost lowering in key signature. so if i adjusted the pitch on the incoming manually with the pitch effects up a little to compensate, do oyu think this would work? i will keep trying to figure it out on my own, but if anyone has any ideas id appreciate it. thanks-

Usually those pitch circuits are not very reliable, so i wouldn't trust on that. I know Pioneer's master tempo sucks, it starts to distort at 3%... But it can work... why don't you try it?

I think that a 3% difference is way too much. I use 2% at max, and usually keep the bpm range within 3 up or 3 down. More than that sounds a little sour. I know it's hard to keep it within the 2% range, but hey, noone said harmonic mixing was easy

Oh and btw, i don't know if that was because you were making an example, but an A minor would never fit into a B minor!

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Originally posted by borron Oh and btw, i don't know if that was because you were making an example, but an A minor would never fit into a B minor!

You are right a gradual fade would sound pretty nasty with those two.. but you could make a nice tempo change with a quick cut if you went from Am to Bm.

Ezbeats... not sure if you meant 1a and 3a to correspond to A and B minor but they are 1a = A flat minor(G sharp minor) and 3a = B flat minor (A sharp minor).

I usually mix within a 3% difference, but I do use discretion when it gets over a 2% difference. It depends on how the original was recorded and if it 0% was the actual true speed of the record in the first place.

Cheers
Nem

first off, thanks for the feedback.

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so if im modulating

thats why i went from a to b minor.... so yes they do go....

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You are right a gradual fade would sound pretty nasty with those two..

so true, i try not to 'gradual fade' mix at all though, and i never would with two records in those keys. i think gradual fading is cheesy(no, not cheese like sammy or robert miles) and bland, but thats just my personal style and preference. usually fade mixing is what i notice people use with those 'computer turntable mix' programs (dont know their names as i do not like them), and even if they are compatible keys to gradual fade mix with, such as a to e minor, i still try to do a bit more mixing than just fading in and out.

but thanks for the replies.

i havent found too much use for the pitch effects, besides on vocals, and even then its just for shits and grins. what do you guys use it for?

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