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Posted by WhooCares on Mar-23-2004 00:16:

Unhappy Help !!Do i need an Amp?

I just got my techs and my mixer, i have a behringer vmx300 mixer and i wanted to plug it into speakers. the thing is though, i dont have an amp or anything of the sort. can i plug it to a stereo and then listen from there? i have a bunch of speakers but i wanted to just hear my vinyl so i can beat match easier( one track on monitor and the other on headphone. Do i really need an amp?


Posted by Nemesis44 on Mar-23-2004 00:42:

As long as the stereo has an AUX input your should be able to yes.

Nem


Posted by WhooCares on Mar-23-2004 00:48:

yeah it does have that, is phono and aux the same thing?? ok since i know i can do that, do i connect the stereo and mixer through the amp connection on mixer to the aux connection on my radio?do i have to use one of those red, white and yellow wires with same connections on both ends? sorry if im asking too many questions, im just not good @ his kinda of stuff//


Posted by dukes on Mar-23-2004 00:56:

quote:
Originally posted by Nemesis44
As long as the stereo has an AUX input your should be able to yes.

Nem


or you could be a brat and plug it in the mic input (if there is one)

not the mic input of the mixer that would make the thing go mental!!!




hmmm i want to try that now


Posted by Nemesis44 on Mar-23-2004 01:00:

quote:
Originally posted by dukes
or you could be a brat and plug it in the mic input (if there is one)

not the mic input of the mixer that would make the thing go mental!!!




hmmm i want to try that now


The words 'Feed' and 'Back' spring to mind...

Nem


Posted by dukes on Mar-23-2004 01:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Nemesis44
The words 'Feed' and 'Back' spring to mind...

Nem


yer i expected that heheh

but u dont happen to know if thats how turntablists do.... um.... how in gods name do i explain this!!!!


i watched the scratch pervs one time take off all the records and start creating some weird (but ace) song using what sounded like feeback. they would be fucking with the cross-fade and up-fade much in the same way as if they were regular scratching but NO RECORD!!!!

it was wicked and made cool sounds. you dont hapen to know if this is how they do it.....or do you even have any idea what im talking about hehehhe


Posted by `pr0digy on Mar-23-2004 01:59:

quote:
Originally posted by dukes
yer i expected that heheh

but u dont happen to know if thats how turntablists do.... um.... how in gods name do i explain this!!!!


i watched the scratch pervs one time take off all the records and start creating some weird (but ace) song using what sounded like feeback. they would be fucking with the cross-fade and up-fade much in the same way as if they were regular scratching but NO RECORD!!!!

it was wicked and made cool sounds. you dont hapen to know if this is how they do it.....or do you even have any idea what im talking about hehehhe


I've heard about this before, is there a video floating around somewhere ?


Posted by dukes on Mar-23-2004 02:06:

quote:
Originally posted by `pr0digy
I've heard about this before, is there a video floating around somewhere ?


i got if from....kazaa or you could try irc i supose.

its scratch perverts and you will know its the right one as they do it with 3mixers 4 vestax 2000's its at the end of the set. heaps of other people have been doing it since then.


Posted by WhooCares on Mar-23-2004 05:19:

back to my topic now,,,dont highjack my thread!!


Posted by dartman on Mar-23-2004 06:14:

you're gonna need a set of rca cables (red and white). connect your mixer to the AUX input of your stereo. turn everything on and BAM, it should work.


Posted by dknylady on Mar-23-2004 07:43:

yeah ignore the yellow rca wire, that's for video!

anyway so you say your stereo has an AUX, so it def. has rca inputs for L and R channels. just find the output on the mixer (might say master or booth, use whatever you want, i used booth) and take the rca wire with the L and R ends (white and red) and connect to the AUX ins to the send in the mixer.

oh yeah when you go to turn everything on do turntables first, mixer, then stereo. reverse when you turn it all off. this way you can avoid popping your speakers...

what i did is i moved one speaker over onto my desk , not really facing me. this way i can just use my one speaker as a monitor, ear level.

don't forget to check the booth level knob on your mixer, for volume. and also make sure that your stereo isn't set to one of those music presets. (once mine was accidently on classical (totally an accident i swear) and then i was wondering all night what the hell was wrong with my mixing)

hope that helped


Posted by CraSHer[UK] on Mar-23-2004 18:18:

quote:
Originally posted by TranzAddict
, is phono and aux the same thing??


No, An Aux input simply plays the input through the speakers. A Phono input on an amp is desgined to take the "unamplified" sound from the turntable and amplify it up before playing it through the speaker.

E.g. if you are adding a cd player to your hifi, then IT WILL matter wether you use the phono socket or the aux because using the phono could seriously damage your hifi and speakers because it will amplify an allready high voltage.

At least thats my understanding


Posted by opianstate on Mar-23-2004 18:31:

use the master outlet of your mixer if you want to have the master gain work, use the booth output for recording, etc.


Posted by djeternal2004 on Mar-23-2004 22:46:

might sound like a silly question here .. but are u sure ure speakers dont have a built in amp ?

if they do then simple connect ure phono cables from the speakers to the master output on the back of ure mixer... well thats how im set up anyway


Posted by WhooCares on Mar-24-2004 06:33:

quote:
Originally posted by djeternal2004
might sound like a silly question here .. but are u sure ure speakers dont have a built in amp ?

if they do then simple connect ure phono cables from the speakers to the master output on the back of ure mixer... well thats how im set up anyway


no they dont....umm i only have a wire with all three colored connections..this still works right or do i need to have only two colors(white & red)/??


Posted by DJTJ on Mar-24-2004 12:11:

quote:
Originally posted by djeternal2004
might sound like a silly question here .. but are u sure ure speakers dont have a built in amp ?

if they do then simple connect ure phono cables from the speakers to the master output on the back of ure mixer... well thats how im set up anyway


No, the vast majority of speakers do not have an amp built in to them. Some do, and these are called Powered Speakers or Powered Monitors. TranzAddict, yours are *not* powered speakers, because they plug into your stereo. Your stereo does, however, have an amp built into it.

If you connected your mixer directly to the speakers, without going through the stereo, you would barely hear anything. Not to mention the fact that you would have to try shoving bare ends of cables into RCA sockets where they are not meant to go. The signal from the mixer needs amplification before it gets to the speakers, and the amplifier in the stereo does this.

The signal that comes from your turntables is slightly different... this is at a much much lower level, and has very little bass etc. This needs extra amplification, but this is done inside the mixer. If you didn't have a mixer, and wanted to connect the TT to a stereo directly, you would have to have a Phono input on your stereo. But this is irrelevant, because you have a mixer, and this does the ectra amplification bit.

The cable you have with the red, white and yellow is absolutely fine. The yellow one is exactly the same as the other two, and is usually used for video signals, e.g. connecting a video camera to a TV. You can definitely use this cable.


Posted by dknylady on Mar-24-2004 16:14:

quote:
Originally posted by dknylady
yeah ignore the yellow rca wire, that's for video!

anyway so you say your stereo has an AUX, so it def. has rca inputs for L and R channels. just find the output on the mixer (might say master or booth, use whatever you want, i used booth) and take the rca wire with the L and R ends (white and red) and connect to the AUX ins to the send in the mixer.


Posted by WhooCares on Mar-24-2004 20:21:

ok cool, ill give i a try when i get home..hopefully it works..ive been wanting to do this for a while but had no idea to how to do it..thnks guys for the help.


Posted by WhooCares on Mar-26-2004 00:52:

ok i did it and it worked...the thing is that only the left turntable can be heard. the right turntable can bareltbe heard but u have to put the volume pretty high.do i have to plug the right with right and left with left on both the mixer and stereo?



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