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Residencies and record collections...

I don't know how many of you actually have gigs or more specifically a residency.. Something I am hoping to have come along soon, but I just had this question pop into my head today....

How can you have a successful, and unique set every week when you have a limited/small (80-100) vinyl collection??

Do you borrow vinyl from extremely trusting friends or use other DJ's that may be spinning that nite? or do you just play your own and hope that the crowd forgets what you played last week??

Cheers.

My guess is that it's all right to repeat tracks from the previous week but if you're playing a club every weekend...you gotta have a few new records each time you play to keep things fresh. If you have a residency you can be on record label's promo mailing lists...that helps. It also helps to have a lot of money to spend on vinyl and a good amount of time to find out whats good.

Just look at the livesets on the net, DJs play pretty much the same tracks each set. Not to say this is good though, IMO DJs should change up their sets often so their sets don't become predictable.

you're buying new records every week
you need fresh tunes to keep the patrons coming back each and every week

You need new to buy more records man. I mean it is probably not a big deal to play the same track one week and again a little later, but if you only have about 100 records.... You will be getting paid, so you shold be able to buy more records.

pvd played more or less the same set for over six months straight. but seriously, if you have a residency you oughta be able to buy a few new records each week to mix things up. i dont have a residency but i still average atleast 3-4 new records a week.

well the good news is that almost all record labels within this year will be offering tracks on mp3 for about a dollar to two dollars each. That cuts spending so much. I spin a lot bro and i've been using nothing but CD's for the past 6 monthes... its something you should really look into if you plan to have a career in this (well one that can support yourself)

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Originally posted by dartman pvd played more or less the same set for over six months straight.

yeah but I don't think it was at the same place twice was it?


i have often wondered the same thing, and this is the reason I don't actively seek out residency anywhere....well that and I suck. but thats besides the point.

I think if I did have one I would like Zombie0729 said, use cd. You can get a lot of tracks online, plus it really doesn't sound too bad.

When you are a professional dj (ie getting paid) and working a certain number of gigs/people on a weekly basis, you are eligible for promo lists from promo agencies/record compaines-meaning you will get stuff in advance of release- sometimes months ahead,

Also, normally the amount of time it takes to get to the point where you have a residency, you will build your collection up quite a lot.

Dont download then play out- BIG fines if you get busted (they can turn up anytime and inspect your collection and also confiscate any illegal material you play- at least in the uk they can...) plus its also killing the vinyl industry, and it sounds shit etc etc.....(other threads on this stuff so i will stop there)

i'm talking about doing it legally.

record pools, like the balance record pool that includes many well known proggy djs. correct me if im wrong but most of them on the list all have residencies or own a record shop, this way being part of the pool they swap records or something?

no, you get records in "pool bundles" and you get so many records for so much money every week... half the time they suck but 1 out of every 4 is worth it.

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 i'm talking about doing it legally.

I have seen alot of record labels offering digital downloads and it is really tempting as you say since they are $1-2 each and you dont have to waite for them to come in the mail and pay shipping costs.
I also know djs that download stuff and spin it at clubs and i dont really respect them for doing this. But my question is this: If i digitally download something (ie pay for it) burn it to cd and scratch the name on it with a pen, how would anyone know that is any different from me downloading it and burning it to cd (ie stealing it)? I mean, if there are so called "music police" that show up at clubs to make sure i am not spinning illegal stuff, am i expected ot bring all my receipts to the club showing i purchased this digital download legally?

Anyway, i think digital downloads are the future and anyone with common sense will pay the $1-2 to get a quality download rather than stealing it. And i really doubt there is anyone out there besides the concious club owner that is checking to see that what you are spinning is legal or not ... but i would be interested to hear from someone who really knows.

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Originally posted by RJOllos I mean, if there are so called "music police" that show up at clubs to make sure i am not spinning illegal stuff, am i expected ot bring all my receipts to the club showing i purchased this digital download legally? And i really doubt there is anyone out there besides the concious club owner that is checking to see that what you are spinning is legal or not ... but i would be interested to hear from someone who really knows.

I do know this- im a professional Dj and have encountered the PRS (performing rights society), and the MCPS (mechanical copyright protection service) amongst others many times- (i think its the RIAA over there or someone they may have contracted or one of their sub divisions). I expect Nem will have also.

If you buy something legally, you will have a reciept- either by email, or from a store.
If they come in to check you are not using illegal stuff (and they do quite often) they have certain powers.
If you play something they suspect is illegal- ie downloaded as an MP3 from kazaa, or copied, etc etc, they can legally take that away and any other infringing material. They then give you a certain number of days in which to produce either:a) the original (thus showing you have a legitimate copy or b) a reciept for a download printed off.

The venue will have a licence to perform music- by having this licence it is accepting that any illegal material can be confiscated and they can be checked at any time. They can lose their licence to play music by infringing- so some club owners take this very seriously.

I have an obscene amount of music- but i also own orginal copies of everything i play out or have a CDR of in my wallet.
Some of my cds i have copied as i dont want them to wear out, some singles i have combined onto CDRs with other tracks, and a few records i have recorded onto CDR- i have also downloaded a few tracks- but as i own the originals its not illegal.
Bottom line- if they confiscate CDRS (ive had it happen before) i turn up with a record box within the set time, and show them and its all sorted. In the meantime, i am not inconvenienced, as i have the legitimate copy at home- their point being that if you are using it illegally, you will be inconvenienced.

So these 'music police' DO exist.
It is a very complicated area

if were into the legal thingy anyways now:
how does the fee to play out the records work? who pays them? Do u have to make a playlist or something and then the club owner will pay a set amount?? or is it something else?

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Originally posted by Dmatrox record pools, like the balance record pool that includes many well known proggy djs. correct me if im wrong but most of them on the list all have residencies or own a record shop, this way being part of the pool they swap records or something?

Getting on a record pool is not an easy thing. You don't just snap your fingers and "voila".

Especially with balance .... they require you to have multiple residences; they only have limited openings; and it's regionaly based, meaning if someone is already on the pool in your area then they won't let you join.

And no they do not swap records because they are part of the pool.

If getting on a record pool was an easy deal; most people who play would be on them. And that is so far from being the reality of things.

Don't even consider joining a record pool to be a real option cause trust me the chances of getting on one are very slim ............. but hey you're always able to try.

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Originally posted by visje if were into the legal thingy anyways now: how does the fee to play out the records work? who pays them? Do u have to make a playlist or something and then the club owner will pay a set amount?? or is it something else?

The venue/club pays standard licensing fees on a monthly/yearly basis that are not dependent on the played track amount. That obviously is dependent on local regulations and what the rules are.

haha thats why i love peru. no laws.

i dont even think clubs here know what the liscensing fees are...

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Originally posted by Freak I do know this- im a professional Dj and have encountered the PRS (performing rights society), and the MCPS (mechanical copyright protection service) amongst others many times- (i think its the RIAA over there or someone they may have contracted or one of their sub divisions). I expect Nem will have also. If you buy something legally, you will have a reciept- either by email, or from a store. If they come in to check you are not using illegal stuff (and they do quite often) they have certain powers. If you play something they suspect is illegal- ie downloaded as an MP3 from kazaa, or copied, etc etc, they can legally take that away and any other infringing material. They then give you a certain number of days in which to produce either:a) the original (thus showing you have a legitimate copy or b) a reciept for a download printed off. The venue will have a licence to perform music- by having this licence it is accepting that any illegal material can be confiscated and they can be checked at any time. They can lose their licence to play music by infringing- so some club owners take this very seriously. I have an obscene amount of music- but i also own orginal copies of everything i play out or have a CDR of in my wallet. Some of my cds i have copied as i dont want them to wear out, some singles i have combined onto CDRs with other tracks, and a few records i have recorded onto CDR- i have also downloaded a few tracks- but as i own the originals its not illegal. Bottom line- if they confiscate CDRS (ive had it happen before) i turn up with a record box within the set time, and show them and its all sorted. In the meantime, i am not inconvenienced, as i have the legitimate copy at home- their point being that if you are using it illegally, you will be inconvenienced. So these 'music police' DO exist. It is a very complicated area

I think its good that they are checking ... even though i hate parts of the record industry, it really pisses me off when people call themselves djs but download music and spin it at club. Thats just total disrepect for the artist, especially since this person is most likely making money spinning at clubs.

On the other hand this whole situation sucks a little because i would worry about getting busted for spinning something that isnt even signed to a record label or a bootleg or something i got from an artist on tranceaddict or similar.

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Originally posted by Freak So these 'music police' DO exist. It is a very complicated area

Questions for you Freak, how about a situation where you�ve downloaded unsigned tracks by amateur producers? I�m guessing you�d (them, I suppose, if you�ve been busted!) have to contact the original artist and get permission to play it out?

How strict are they? Do they go by tracks or number of CDR�s? I�ve got loads of my own productions single CD�s. It looks a lot, but in reality there isn�t much music there, regardless of the fact that I own the copy rights to them. How would they deal with a �but I made that� cliam?

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Originally posted by Spin Doctor Questions for you Freak, how about a situation where you�ve downloaded unsigned tracks by amateur producers? I�m guessing you�d (them, I suppose, if you�ve been busted!) have to contact the original artist and get permission to play it out? How strict are they? Do they go by tracks or number of CDR�s? I�ve got loads of my own productions single CD�s. It looks a lot, but in reality there isn�t much music there, regardless of the fact that I own the copy rights to them. How would they deal with a �but I made that� cliam?

Music copyright is a different issue.

One basic thing to cover your ass and prove a track is yours ( and something you should always do to for copyright protection at least at a minimal level ) : print out the partition; burn a copy of the track; mail it to yourself; the postmark date will prove a date of "creation" and prove ownership of the track at the given date.

there are holes, we all know, but electronic clubs don't get much attention from the RIAA. A lot of hip hop clubs & Top40 clubs get a lot of notice however.

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Originally posted by jdat Getting on a record pool is not an easy thing. You don't just snap your fingers and "voila". Especially with balance .... they require you to have multiple residences; they only have limited openings; and it's regionaly based, meaning if someone is already on the pool in your area then they won't let you join. And no they do not swap records because they are part of the pool. If getting on a record pool was an easy deal; most people who play would be on them. And that is so far from being the reality of things. Don't even consider joining a record pool to be a real option cause trust me the chances of getting on one are very slim ............. but hey you're always able to try.

Well, Markus Schulz, George Acosta, DJ Speed & Edgar V are all on the same record pool... they play in Miami every week.

This is interesting...
I will (with chance) get a residency at a known club in town.


I was thinking that maybe I could get on some promo-list or poll... and by that saving a few dollars by getting free promos.

Any of you have an idea of the procedure ?

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Originally posted by DJ Charlie This is interesting... I will (with chance) get a residency at a known club in town. I was thinking that maybe I could get on some promo-list or poll... and by that saving a few dollars by getting free promos. Any of you have an idea of the procedure ?

I have seen in the past labels such as Bonzai mentioning on their site that they have openings on their promo lists. The cost seems fairly high especially when you have to pay overseas shipping. You might contact some labels and ask them. Chemical records often has limited promos available. For instance they had a test pressing of the new oceanlab tune several months ago.

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Originally posted by RJOllos I have seen in the past labels such as Bonzai mentioning on their site that they have openings on their promo lists. The cost seems fairly high especially when you have to pay overseas shipping. You might contact some labels and ask them. Chemical records often has limited promos available. For instance they had a test pressing of the new oceanlab tune several months ago.

Look, I pay around $13 US per record at my local record shop.
and my banking account is starting to go in the red...
If by any way, I can get some quality records for free or by paying less (including shipping and all that crap) I'm open for any suggestions...

/me need money in piggy bank

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