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George Bush and jobs that never came

Mr. Bush, where are the jobs you promised?

http://www.jobwatch.org

I got one thing to say to George.....dont feel bad, your father only got 4 years also.

An unemployment rate of 5.6% is lower than the rate during much of Clinton's presidency, and 30-40% lower than the current average of the liberals' beloved economies of Europe.

Presidents don't create jobs. They modify economic policy in order to help spur economic growth. So, higher taxes or lower taxes? Pick which one you think helps to create jobs.

And to all of our European supporters of Kerry, what do you think Kerry's plan is to create jobs in the US? Protectionism. People on both sides of the Atlantic seem to think Kerry will be some great internationalist President - but everything he's proposed on jobs will hurt the rest of the world far worse than any of GW's current economic policies.

You failed to see my point. Please let me refresh you how the tax cuts were sold to the United States.

The Bush Administration called the tax cut package, which was passed in May 2003 and took effect in July 2003, its "Jobs and Growth Plan." The president's economics staff, the Council of Economic Advisers projected that the plan would result in the creation of 5.5 million jobs by the end of 2004�306,000 new jobs each month, starting in July 2003. Although jobs increased by 21,000 in the month of February 2004, the "Jobs and Growth Plan" still fell 285,000 jobs short of the administration's projection. The administration projected that a total of 2,448,000 jobs would be created in the first eight months after the tax cuts took effect. In fact, only 294,000 jobs were created over that period for a cumulative shortfall of 2,154,000 jobs. The failure is widespread with 48 of the 50 states failing to hit their targets by January.

Look at it like this....he lied about WMD and he failed at job creation.

Good Bye GB

I dont think anyone is saying that Kerry will be like Jesus or something.

It's the lesser of two evils thats all

Re: George Bush and jobs that never came

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Originally posted by hooknife Mr. Bush, where are the jobs you promised? I got one thing to say to George.....dont feel bad, your father only got 4 years also.

What's your complaint? Are you out of a job?


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I blame George Bush for the fact that our jobs never came.


Phony messia!

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Originally posted by Yoepus I blame George Bush for the fact that our jobs never came. Phony messia!

C'mon Yoepus, I normally side with you. Are you out of work too?


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Originally posted by smokeape C'mon Yoepus, I normally side with you. Are you out of work too? [[[smoke]]]

actually no, I'm making my own jobs (and paying taxes for it )

I was trying to be sarcastic in how dumb it is.

As in, I blame Bush for the fact I can't meet a girl who is supermodel, smart, ... a perfect 10! DAMN YOU BUSH!

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Originally posted by Yoepus actually no, I'm making my own jobs (and paying taxes for it ) I was trying to be sarcastic in how dumb it is. As in, I blame Bush for the fact I can't meet a girl who is supermodel, smart, ... a perfect 10! DAMN YOU BUSH!

Me neither! Damn you Bush! I want some of that...



Lol!
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5.6% damn staggering number
I guaranty 2.3% aren't even looking for a job!

This economy has never turn on a dime, but it is turning.

Kerry will save this country by turning down the nomination. He's not the one we need in office and most intelligent people know this.

...And Hooknife, if GB lied to you about WMD's then the entire world lied to you. Come to think of it more people have lied to you than you care to know.

Don't get sucked in to economic projections too much.
Don't get sucked in to a liberal agenda too much either.

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Originally posted by Q5echo 5.6% damn staggering number I guaranty 2.3% aren't even looking for a job! This economy has never turn on a dime, but it is turning. Kerry will save this country by turning down the nomination. He's not the one we need in office and most intelligent people know this. ...And Hooknife, if GB lied to you about WMD's then the entire world lied to you. Come to think of it more people have lied to you than you care to know. Don't get sucked in to economic projections too much. Don't get sucked in to a liberal agenda too much either.

Those that have gave up looking for a job are not included in the unemployment rate, this is taught in highschool economics for chrissakes.

If you don't know something as basic as that, what kind of authority on economics are you?

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Originally posted by Cal Those that have gave up looking for a job are not included in the unemployment rate, this is taught in highschool economics for chrissakes. If you don't know something as basic as that, what kind of authority on economics are you?

Those are included in the household survey.

What are you talking about

The unemployment rate BY DEFINITION is the percentage of employable people actively seeking work, out of the total number of employable people.

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Originally posted by Cal What are you talking about The unemployment rate BY DEFINITION is the percentage of employable people actively seeking work, out of the total number of employable people.

If you desire a job, you are included in the unemployment survey. Unless you're resigned to starving to death, you are seeking work. Or you have no need to look for a job.

http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm

Are you retarded or something?

Percentage of employable people actively seeking work, out of the total number of employable people; determined in a monthly survey by the Bureau of Labor Statistics

Just because you fill out a survey does not mean you are included in the numbers, that is the whole point of the survey, to find out who does what!

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Originally posted by Cal Are you retarded or something? Percentage of employable people actively seeking work, out of the total number of employable people; determined in a monthly survey by the Bureau of Labor Statistics Just because you fill out a survey does not mean you are included in the numbers, that is the whole point of the survey, to find out who does what!

Sigh ... ok why don't you look at what standard the BLS uses to determine what a person actively seeking work is:

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Unemployed persons are: All persons who did not have a job at all during the survey week, made specific active efforts to find a job during the prior 4 weeks, and were available for work (unless temporarily ill). All persons who were not working and were waiting to be called back to a job from which they had been laid off need not be looking for work to be classified as unemployed.

Now then, what type of person stops looking for work for a month, accepting the fact that making ANY effort to look for a job is not worth ANY potential benefits gained from looking. But by all means, continue with the personal attacks if it makes you feel better.

Right, the answer is a person that is not included in the determination of the unemployment rate

Does that somehow prove me wrong? No, you are just repeating what ive said

My critisism of Q5echo stands

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Originally posted by Cal Right, the answer is a person that is not included in the determination of the unemployment rate Does that somehow prove me wrong? No, you are just repeating what ive said My critisism of Q5echo stands

My point is a clarification of who is officially classified as unemployed. Those who truly need jobs are always classified as unemployed because the alternative is poverty. Therefore I was attempting to void off distortions that the mass multitudes are dropping off the unemployment report because they are simply discouraged ... that is not the case. One would need not only to become discouraged but resigned to poverty should they not be included in the unemployment report. I'm not entirely certain how many of the population would undertake such action. But if you wish to claim that it is a significant amount people than that's your perogative ... I have no credible data to prove otherwise. I'm merely providing my input on the matter ... funny how you feel the need to attack those for doing so.

YEAH, what he said foo!


I'M RICK JAMES BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So anyone unemployed out here on the post and living in the US?

If you're not employed say so and state your reasons why you are not.

I do not want to hear about derelicts on a stret corner or someone the poster is not remotely related to. If one of our posters is not employed we can possibly help.


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Well your input is wrong

And you keep saying its right without proving me wrong!

WTH

We are not talking about the unemployed. We are talking about the unemployment rate.

And a bum that is begging for quarters and is living on the sreet with no hope is not included in the calculation just as a law school graduate who, instead of lookng for work, is bumming around his rich parents house is not included either!!!

And how the hell is poverty even relevant here?

Same for anyone who is not looking for a job filthy rich or plain filthy, that person IS NOT INCLUDED in calculating the rate.

But Q5echo doesn't even know this basic shit, and neither do you, but still the both of you continue to argue all these Greenspan scale theories!

Get some goddamn education first.

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Originally posted by Cal Well your input is wrong And you keep saying its right without proving me wrong! WTH We are not talking about the unemployed. We are talking about the unemployment rate. And a bum that is begging for quarters and is living on the sreet with no hope is not included in the calculation just as a law school graduate who, instead of lookng for work, is bumming around his rich parents house is not included either!!! And how the hell is poverty even relevant here? Same for anyone who is not looking for a job filthy rich or plain filthy, that person IS NOT INCLUDED in calculating the rate. But Q5echo doesn't even know this basic shit, and neither do you, but still the both of you continue to argue all these Greenspan scale theories! Get some goddamn education first.

Sigh ... ok look, the unemployment figure is designed to capture those who WANT to look for work and those who NEED to look for work. If you're a daddy's rich kid who spends 10 minutes a year looking for a job then you're not on the unemployment report because that would be a statistical anomoly. Poverty is largely relevant becuase that is one of the MAJOR reasons most people even work! For christ's sake I'm going to reiterate myself here ... it doesn't matter if you're filthy rich or filthy poor, as long as you WANT a job, which is evident by you LOOKING for a job, you're included on the unemployment report. If you're in a situation such that you don't even care to look for a job than you're an irrelevant statistic that should not be included even in the event that the job market is doing well. But PLEASE tell me how the unemployment report should be revised to provide an effective government statistic. But hey ... Canada's unemployment rate is conducted in a similar manner, at 7.4% just THINK of how many there are not counted who are looking for work!!!

Nice to know my economics degree doesn't count as education

I'm not arguing with you man.
There are unemployed, but employable, people that are not looking for employment I was one of them. Collected unemployment for eight months in '94

Besides the comment I made about the unemployment rate vs. the scrubs noy looking for work was, admittedly, an exaggeration, a generalization, a hypothization

please accept my humble apology.

P.S. I'm a high school drop out. dumbest decision I ever made.

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Originally posted by Q5echo P.S. I'm a high school drop out. dumbest decision I ever made.

chased the dot.com bomb too?

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Originally posted by occrider Sigh ... ok look, the unemployment figure is designed to capture those who WANT to look for work and those who NEED to look for work. If you're a daddy's rich kid who spends 10 minutes a year looking for a job then you're not on the unemployment report because that would be a statistical anomoly. Poverty is largely relevant becuase that is one of the MAJOR reasons most people even work! For christ's sake I'm going to reiterate myself here ... it doesn't matter if you're filthy rich or filthy poor, as long as you WANT a job, which is evident by you LOOKING for a job, you're included on the unemployment report. If you're in a situation such that you don't even care to look for a job than you're an irrelevant statistic that should not be included even in the event that the job market is doing well. But PLEASE tell me how the unemployment report should be revised to provide an effective government statistic. But hey ... Canada's unemployment rate is conducted in a similar manner, at 7.4% just THINK of how many there are not counted who are looking for work!!! Nice to know my economics degree doesn't count as education

There is no way to capture every person who wants or needs to look for work without surveying every single unemployed person in the country. The government doesn't do that. The unemployment rate is based on the number of people who have filed for unemployment. That is the only solid figure that our government can accurately base the rate upon without guessing. This will not include the 16 year old who is trying to get work (in "manufacturing" lol) at McDonalds. Whether he needs it or not. Since most of unemployment is made up of people who have quit or have been laid off for reasons beyond their control, (downsizing, budget cuts etc...) people who have been fired are not included as well. It also won't include unemployed people who are trying to start their own businesses. The government can't calculate your wanting or needing a job telepathically. And they wont be able to know whether you're even trying to find a job or not. You have to be registered as unemployed to be counted in the rate.

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