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Fight Against Illegal Filesharing Moves Overseas

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/31/b...ss/31music.html

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Fight Against Illegal File Sharing Is Moving Overseas By MARK LANDLER Published: March 31, 2004 FRANKFURT, March 30 - The music industry announced legal action Tuesday against 247 people accused of illegal file sharing outside the United States, taking its war against Internet piracy abroad for the first time. Recording industry associations in Denmark, Germany, Italy and Canada have filed lawsuits or taken other legal action, aiming mainly at heavy users accused of offering a large number of songs online. "This is not a U.S.-only problem," said Jay Berman, chairman of the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry in London. "We always knew we would have to take action outside the United States. At some point, you have to ask yourself when. That moment was now." The unauthorized swapping of music has wreaked as much havoc on the global industry as it has in the United States. In Germany, where the effects of file sharing are compounded by the rampant "burning" of songs onto blank CD's, sales of recorded music plunged nearly 20 percent last year. Mr. Berman said the threat of legal action had pinched the renegade file sharing industry. The most popular service, Kazaa, offered more than 900 million files in April 2003, shortly before the industry filed its first lawsuits in the United States, according to Mr. Berman. On Monday night, it offered 550 million files. "That's still a lot," he acknowledged. "But we believe the number of files being copied has shrunk." The recording industry said the lawsuits could result in fines or damage payments amounting to several thousand euros a person. Still, the legal actions taken vary widely from country to country. In Italy, 30 people have been charged with criminal copyright infringement by the public prosecutor's office in Milan, which ordered raids to seize computers, hard disks, storage systems and 50,000 files. In Germany, 68 people have been reported to the authorities for suspected violations. Denmark has sent "civil demand" letters to 120 people, ordering them to stop illegal sharing of files and to pay compensation, or face legal action. In Canada, the identities of 29 people accused of large-scale file sharing are being sought from their Internet service providers. The nature of the industry's campaign - it announced no lawsuits in Britain or France, nor any in Asia - attests to the patchwork of copyright laws outside the United States. While the European Union has passed a uniform copyright protection law similar to that in the United States, it has yet to be ratified by all of the union's current 15 member states. The existing cases are being prosecuted under national laws, Mr. Berman said. He predicted that lawsuits would be filed in other countries, but said the timing is dependent on stricter enforcement of copyright protection. The British Phonographic Industry, which represents Britain's record labels, has continued sending warning messages to users of file sharing services, though it, too, has threatened legal action. Critics of the lawsuits said the piecemeal approach would bewilder consumers, particularly in Europe. "People won't understand the message," said Mark Mulligan, an analyst at Jupiter Research in London. "If you're file sharing in Germany, you're in trouble. If you're file sharing in Spain, you're fine." Mr. Mulligan also questioned the timing of the lawsuits, since, he said, Europe still does not have compelling legal alternatives to the unauthorized services. Sony has announced plans to offer its online music service, Connect, in June in Britain, France and Germany. Apple Computer has also indicated it will introduce its popular iTunes service in Europe later this year. "This could hurt them," Mr. Mulligan said. "People will think, 'If you try to source music online, you'll have legal action taken against you.' '' Mr. Berman made the opposite argument, saying that the lawsuits would clear the field for legitimate services. He said that there were more than 50 legal online music services already in operation in Europe and that more than 650,000 people were downloading songs through them. Still, Mr. Berman said he was prepared for the same backlash that erupted after the American labels began suing file sharers last year. Nearly 2,000 lawsuits have been filed there, including 532 fresh cases announced last week by the Recording Industry Association of America. "We're not going into this with the idea that we're trying to win a popularity contest," he said. Gerd Gebhardt, chairman of the German Phonographic Industry Association, stressed that the legal action was aimed at "uploaders" - those who copy songs in large numbers and place them on servers for distribution - rather than people who download the occasional song for personal use. Under German law, the downloading of music is illegal, too, but only if the user knows the material is copyrighted. Mr. Gebhardt conceded that the campaign would do little to stem the main piracy problem in Germany: CD burning. Last year, according to a market survey, Germans copied music onto 325 million CD's. The German recording industry sold 133 million CD's with recorded music. "In the case of one-to-one CD burning, we can't do anything," he said. "But with downloading, we have legal recourse."

In a way, it surprises me that it took so long for countries besides the U.S. to start suing downloaders, considering the music piracy market is much higher in overseas countries. However, does this change the view people have of the RIAA? Is it no longer some irritation for downloaders, and maybe its message was correct the entire time?

Not so in Canada....

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Re: Fight Against Illegal Filesharing Moves Overseas

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Originally posted by Galapidate In a way, it surprises me that it took so long for countries besides the U.S. to start suing downloaders, considering the music piracy market is much higher in overseas countries. However, does this change the view people have of the RIAA? Is it no longer some irritation for downloaders, and maybe its message was correct the entire time?

I'm afraid that your media once again show their unwillingness to deal with any foreign issues untill they get major. In Denmark the local RIAA-branch has used the mafia-like method of black mail prior to this incident. Actually, the drastic drop in file sharing on KaZaA in Denmark has been attributed to a former campaign.
The form of their attack is as follows: Log onto target file sharing system (in this case DC++), and browse users files until you find some dane with a large collection of movies and music. Take a screenshot and call a ISP to get the name and address corresponding to the IP. Then you simply add up the estimated cost of buying all the stuff and send a bill to the poor file sharer.
No legal authorities are consulted and the bills (while in the $10000s) are sufficiently small to have the recievers pay rather than risk it in a court of law. The local branch of the RIAA is not popular among regular people.

In the article it is said that 120 people were sent these letters. That is not correct - it was 100 people, with 350 more to follow.

What really annoys me, is that in this godforsaken country you cannot get electronica (except for Prodigy, Astral Projection and the like) anywhere - not even by domestic mail order. So some of us really have little option of buying the music that we like.

Trancaholic, out of curiosity, would you state that the RIIA problem in Denmark is worse than the siutuation in the US? I only ask this because I constantly hear about RIAA lawsuits in America and rarely hear of such instances elsewhere. Can you provide insight into Europe as a whole?

"Net music piracy 'does not harm record sales'"

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994831

Occ: I have only superficial knowledge of the situation in the US and the non-Denmark EU. It is my understanding, though, that in other countries the RIAA-branches are pursuing their goals through targeted law suits against major providers of software/music-collections. The scary thing about the situation in Denmark is that the RIAA-branch is directly targeting "the small fishes" - and they do it outside of the legal system. Their strategy is to create fear and uncertainty around the act of file sharing. And so far they are succeeding at it.
There have been episodes reported where youngsters have been held back at net parties by lawyers, with no contacting of their parents. The RIAA-branch has carried a few cases to court in order to establish a precedent, and then relies on these cases for bullying people in similar situations into coughing up.
If the article quoted in this thread is accurate on the counts not related to Denmark and Canada then I would most certainly say that file sharers have a hard time in Denmark. However, by the principle of induction I would be careful not to place to much trust in the correctness of the article.

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Originally posted by tathi "Net music piracy 'does not harm record sales'" http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994831

This is true. Eminem's album from 2002 was both the most-downloaded and best-selling one.

why aren't our politicans condemning this brash outsourcing of lawsuits!

We should keep the law business strong in the USA! We can not let our most high-payed, low-skilled jobs like lawyers move overseas!

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Originally posted by Galapidate This is true. Eminem's album from 2002 was both the most-downloaded and best-selling one.

Norah Jones was the same this year.

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Originally posted by Yoepus why aren't our politicans condemning this brash outsourcing of lawsuits! We should keep the law business strong in the USA! We can not let our most high-payed, low-skilled jobs like lawyers move overseas!

lol Yoepus you went crazy or somthin?

I frankly am tired of downloading music and would be willing to pay a fair price for tracks, albeit none of that DRM garbage that cannot be transferred, etc.

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Originally posted by tathi "Net music piracy 'does not harm record sales'" http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994831

yeah saw that one too, interesting, guess suing people is more economically effective though also this people are waaaay to narrow minded...

so far it's only illegal to share music in sweden, not to donwload, and noone has ever been sued here, guess it's only a mather of time until that changes though

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Originally posted by St_Andrew so far it's only illegal to share music in sweden, not to donwload, and noone has ever been sued here, guess it's only a mather of time until that changes though

What bitter irony that the danes refer to Sweden as Prohibition-Sweden.

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When they stop suing I will start buying again. They've got the right to sue, and I've got the right to abstain from buying what they're selling. Boycott the big 5 until they stop the mafia extortion tactics! Buy second hand and independent.

Everyone should know this by now .

why do we have to pay for music?

It's easy to have in the internet. so i don't want to pay. the only time i will go buy a cd...it's when an artist who start is selling his first album...

why are we acting so helpless. we've got the idea of boycotting the music industry for their lawsuits, but we should organize and make it huge. spread it across the nation. the world. stop buying music until they stop suing people.

today, i bought 2 cd's that cost me $41.34 ....for two fucking cds.

darude - 18.99

ministry of sound 2004 - 20.99

plus tax...

darude alone had only 13 tracks. and it cost over 20 bucks with tax included. thats over a dollar a track, and the cd sucked. i just dont like darude...but a friend told me to get it..

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan I frankly am tired of downloading music and would be willing to pay a fair price for tracks, albeit none of that DRM garbage that cannot be transferred, etc.

agree with you here, it's not like you get a better product when you buy it, you actually gets a worse!

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Originally posted by Heinz why are we acting so helpless. we've got the idea of boycotting the music industry for their lawsuits, but we should organize and make it huge. spread it across the nation. the world. stop buying music until they stop suing people. today, i bought 2 cd's that cost me $41.34 ....for two fucking cds. darude - 18.99 ministry of sound 2004 - 20.99 plus tax... darude alone had only 13 tracks. and it cost over 20 bucks with tax included. thats over a dollar a track, and the cd sucked. i just dont like darude...but a friend told me to get it..

Indeed it is terrible. Plus, DVDs, which cost about the same as the average CD in Sam Goody or wherever you buy, has a lot more content than a CD. Hence, I feel people aren't getting their money's worth on these CDs.

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