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Over the Top Promotion: Thread Closed.

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I would really like someone to explain to me why it is so bad to do "over the top promoting" of Amateur DJs, some of which are dedicated members of this very forum. I have never, ever seen a thread closed that promoted the work of another artist; this was not a cheesy thread promoting trancesphere, they were all posts supporting artists. Many of these DJs have never been heard on the air before and appreciate seeing such good things written about them for the first time in their lives.

I am very, very upset with the admins of TranceAddict and torontotrance in particular, however, I am even more interested in getting a legitimate explanation at why this was considered necessary. There have been bigger threads before, with a massive amount of posts noting how much people enjoyed sets or shows that are listed in the tracklisting area. It isnt like the show was over so nobody would want to post anymore, there is a replay coming up, download information needed, and maybe some people didnt get to post for their favorite yet. I understand there are other forums, none of which have closed my thread. I encourage all of our listeners to use these other forums, which I will not mention, that do NOT restrict the opinions of its members.

If anyone does not know what I am talking about, I apoligize for not explaining myself earlier. My show, Rising Stars, was created for "unknown" DJs to get their set played on TranceSphere Radio. I work very, very hard to make sure each DJ gets a personalized introduction on the air, and a short biography posted along with their tracklist. I spend countless hours listening to sets and selecting the DJs for the month, not to mention gathering up all the sets and forming the show. Yes, I do over the top promotion for these DJs because I feel they deserve it. There is so much talent out there that people do not know about, and I would be honored if this show would open some doors for people.

I don't think I am being unrealistic either, yesterday's show (combined with ETS-Global) had between 400-500 listeners at any given time. Point being: the show was working, DJs were getting some exposure to listeners, and listeners were enjoying the new sounds of some previously unknown DJs. So please help me to understand why this is considered so bad that my thread needed locked.

Thank you for listening to my rant, and I hope you understand my reasons,


Ryne Tyme

you should probably do that on pms, but i want to see why too, heh e=)

Yeah.... After looking at the first thread, I agree that was VERY lame. I mean, Rising Stars promotes up and coming DJ's, and you fucking closed the thread??? 90% of the dj's were from TA too, which makes it look even more retarded.

I think the admins need to chill and stop being so anal.

My 2 cents...

agreed, there's absolutely no justifiable reason for the thread being closed...

considering how littered full of spam, flaming, idiocy, and powerposting (+1) bullshit these forums are, it's ironic that a perfectly constructive, innocent thread concerning nothing but music gets locked. Ryne has done a shitload of work getting the event organized, as well as all the DJ's, and we both deserve better than that...

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Originally posted by RisingForce Yeah.... After looking at the first thread, I agree that was VERY lame. I mean, Rising Stars promotes up and coming DJ's, and you fucking closed the thread??? 90% of the dj's were from TA too, which makes it look even more retarded. I think the admins need to chill and stop being so anal. My 2 cents...

well said my man!

Toronto this is getting out of hand , what exactly was the point in closing that thread ???

Please explain to us.....

I'm totally with you on this one ryne.

Why close the thread? Is there any place free of all this political BS!?

PM, ffs! There's no need to bring this bullshit here.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery PM, ffs! There's no need to bring this bullshit here.

I think stuff like this needs to be out in the open so we can all see the idiots that govern us..

I would understand if there was multiple threads for the same topic but as there is only the one i agree that the locking of the thread was by no means required.

All of us DJ's need the promotion & feedback to climb our way up the ladder and tranceaddict seems to be one of the best communitties to help us achieve this.

Has there been a change in policy at TA?

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Originally posted by colabus I think stuff like this needs to be out in the open so we can all see the idiots that govern us..

The people who post to wrong forums?

As you can clearly see, the closed post was in the tracklist section, NOT in the promotion section hence the lock was fully justified. And this thread, well, this is just useless whining. And in the wrong forum as well.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery PM, ffs! There's no need to bring this bullshit here.

I am very sorry but I do not feel it would be appropriate to bring this into a PM conversation. Maybe because I have not slept in two days, because of this show, but I feel that the listeners of the show and the DJs who participated in the event deserve to see a reason, in print, why their thread was closed. I can not post download information about their sets, I can not make a post about the winner of fan favorite, and the listeners can no longer make posts congratulating the hard work of the DJs. Especially if someone did not catch the first show but is free to hear the replay, I would think they should be allowed to post their comments about the show. As apparant by the reponse of other TA community members, I am not alone in my disappointment of torontotrance's decision to close it.


edit: and if I am banned without being given proper response in this thread, I feel that would be more proof of wrongdoing, I am eagerly awating a response.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery The people who post to wrong forums? As you can clearly see, the closed post was in the tracklist section, NOT in the promotion section hence the lock was fully justified. And this thread, well, this is just useless whining. And in the wrong forum as well.

it should be in both threads then, dont ya think? And if it's in the wrong thread, move it to the other, but dont close it.

btw i got a PM

i'll take my ban now, thanks, id rather everyone see this.

you are being warned
Hello

I'm mod of the tracklist forum, I normally allow a ton of stuff but I've been after some people for months now because the tracklist forum is not for promotion, it's fucking tracklists. So let me make this very, very clear to you and tell whoever posts that crap to watch out the same, next time someone fucks up, automatic suspension. I'm not being mean, I'm just sick and tired of this bullshit. Look you can post the links to the streams, the website addresses and the tracklists but I ever see a dj bios like I saw today, I'm making the thread automatically vanish. See I understand people want to promote there shit, do it in the music discussion forum (all of that is legit there but not the tracklist forums). So don't give me this preamble in the threads about last month was great and this month is even better...i don't give a shit about that.....i don't even give a shit about the dj bios....it's not my concern....now if someone asks a question in the thread about a dj....by all means....answer it but in the first post....it's wrong and over the top. I'm trying to keep the field level for EVERYBODY and since I've done this with others, I'm doing it with you. So tell your trancesphere buddies.....seems when I pmed TS_CREW..they did not listen. Post the full thing in the MD, post the tracklist, the irc channel stuff and the links in the tracklist forum but watch that you don't go over the top with promotion or I'm going to kick ass and take names. Have a nice day

reply to that moron admin and tell him to check out half the "big" name dj tracklist posts.

I think there's a personal issue about here.

if the admin is so pissed about it being in the wrong forum cant he just move it instead of being such a penis?

The problem I have is that the mods in one forum are not the same in this all the time, so that's why the PM is so important, pm any of the mods listed for the forum you have a problem, everybody realises you're supporting ppl from the boards, but even so if you break a rule you have to live by it, if you didn't then as I say, pm whoever shuts it or the necessary ones from that forum.

And to the people who say the mods are anal or whatever, it looks like you're either new here or don't post often, maybe think before you disregard them all with the same brush, some of them have been here for 3-4 years and do a damn fine job

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Originally posted by montie if the admin is so pissed about it being in the wrong forum cant he just move it instead of being such a penis?

Chill out, please...

Torontotrance will come and read all your opinions.
No idea why you all are so agressive, but at least respect the forum veterans and admins - they also work hard to make thousands of users see this board every day without technical bugs and useless posts like "where do i download full albums" or "listen to my mix".
Just post into the right forums, read the forum index first...
And the forum rules... they are really simple.

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Originally posted by CJ Slater Chill out, please...

look weunderstand, from the PM, that the promotion part is not allowed in the tracklist thread .. and that is fine and we apoligize for this error.


however, when does a post regarding the tracklist of a DJ cross over into promotion? couldn't the mod have moved the thread into MD and then allowed me to repost just the tracklists into the TL forum? I am very upset at the way this was handled. Even if it is a little too much promotion ... its about members of this forum, why not support the people that have helped create TA to be what it is?

TranceSphere apoligizes for the mistake.

it's kinda lame how the topic got locked. why not just say he wont allow Bio's in the tracklist forum? and then just edit the post.
like it is now, it's impossible to even make a reply to comments on the sets anymore..

and must say i agree that it's kinda a backstab on our own users since it's promotion for them!! and we can't be forced down by our own rules imo, tho i can see the point about the bio part in the T/L forums.

but if tortured gets banned for this.. thats just stupid and meaningless.

so keep up the good work man, tho without bio's in the tracklist forum

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Originally posted by CJ Slater Chill out, please... Torontotrance will come and read all your opinions. No idea why you all are so agressive, but at least respect the forum veterans and admins - they also work hard to make thousands of users see this board every day without technical bugs and useless posts like "where do i download full albums" or "listen to my mix". Just post into the right forums, read the forum index first... And the forum rules... they are really simple.

i see your point, i really do - and your right, tranceaddict has its own rules and they are entitled to those. if i dont like them, i dont have to participate as a member of this forum, and i totally agree with you in that respect. however i cant justify mods being on steriods and saying things like "watch that you don't go over the top with promotion or I'm going to kick ass and take names. Have a nice day"


i mean honestly ...


as far as promotion goes, i understand now to promote in MD and post sets in TL; TygerClaw of all people explained it to me best. Lo Ciento Amigos, but seriously, stay out of mexico and off the 'roids, its only an internet forum physical violence cant be transferred over PMs

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Originally posted by tortured_lizard As apparant by the reponse of other TA community members, I am not alone in my disappointment of torontotrance's decision to close it. edit: and if I am banned without being given proper response in this thread, I feel that would be more proof of wrongdoing, I am eagerly awating a response.

Please calm down. Nobody said the you're going to get banned.

First of all you might want to consider that this is just a fucking internet forum. If you have a problem with a decision of a moderator, PM him/her or PM the administrator.

I do understand your disappointment and I know you put a lot of effort into this event, but if a moderator closes a thread you should respect that.

As a moderator you can do a great job for years and you don't even notice, because the forum works and you don't realise that there's somebody working behind the scenes, and then you close a thread and all of a sudden people say that you're anal and somebody who registered last week tells you how to do your job.

You can post a thread for your event in the DJ promotion forum and a thread for the sets in the Tracklist forum, but any information regarding downloads etc. and reviews should be posted in the DJ promotion forum. The Tracklist forum is not supposed to be used for promotional purposes.

And that's about it, there's no need to make a big fuss over it. A moderator is here make the forum run smoothly, not to clean up your mess.

agreed and understood

i still dont agree with the rules, but i know i was wrong in not following them. i still think this situation could have been handled better imo.

i guess tehre are two parts becasue there was tracklists in there, but make two threads probably easier than making a big mess

You could even use 3 threads, one in here, one in tracklist forum and one in dj promotion forum with links in each of those threads to the other.
However that could be tedious with having to keep an eye on those 3 threads and for ppl to reply in the correct thread with what they want to say.

The best way to promote your show is to post here in MD simply because it has the most views, more ppl view this forum than any other (with the exception of COR).

I don't mind if you post links, tracklist's and bio's in this forum.
I know those of us on TranceAirWaves and tigerclaw for GDJB use this forum.

If we was going to totally strict on it, then it should apply to all of us including myself and tigerclaw where we would have to make 3 threads in 3 forums. too much hassle IMO.

You can always at a later date make a new thread in tracklistings forum and post in there maybe a weeks worth of stuff in one post with just the tracklistings.

Anyway, i'm leaveing this thread open so that TTA can have a chance to reply to you but please remember in the future that if you have a problem with a mod, u can either pm the mod involved or pm Swamper with a complaint.

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