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How can you tell the difference between regular ol' trance and progressive trance??

My idea of progressive seems to be different than other peeps but then again, it's hard to define and agree on many genres, subgenres.. etc etc.. Progressive trance to me is tunez that have a newer, different sound, at the moment it's music that's a bit harder, darker and I dunno different.. I dunno , progression from the current.. I have no idea I'm sure this isn't the right definition, I'd like to know what other peeps think so we're in sync when we talk about progressive music...

latez...

When I refer to progressive it is a type of music that transcends trance and house. It includes many varieties of electronica including trance, house, goa, tribal, etc. Usually, it is around 130 bpms and has more of a "dub" feel. This means progressive normally does not have the strong peaks and crescendos (spelled that wrong) normally found in typical trance. DJs such as Sasha, Digweed, and definitely Steve Lawler spin primarily progressive. Producers include Futureshock, Breeder, and Way Out West. This is not fact, it is just what I have concluded over the years. Unfortunately there is no specific guidelines for what genre or sub-genre some electronic music falls into.

Hmm... The way I see it, the word "progressive" just characterizes certain types of trance/house tunes. Progressive trance tracks have clear buildups and you can sense the energy flowing into you thanks to gradually increasing bass lines, synths etc. So basically they start slowly but the tempo and flow gets harder and more intense as the song progresses Usually there is a detectable 'climax' in the tune. Also house tracks can have progressive touch, but the difference between typical house tracks is milder than in trance (hard house is an entirely different genre).

Typical examples of progressive tracks (in my opinion )
Veracocha - Carte Blanche
Binary Finary - 1998 [Paul Van Dyk Remix]
Major League - Wonder Where You Are [Tiesto & Armin Remake]
Floyd - Come 2 Gether [Vocal Club Mix]
Neve - Sacrifice [Sagitaire Remix]
Upper Level - Miss You [Sagitaire Remix]
Minimalistix - Struggle for Pleasure
Michael Mb - The Power of Trance Base
trance[]control - Psychotic Chaos
+ many more

Needless to say, I think these tracks KICK ASS!

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Originally posted by mindbender Hmm... The way I see it, the word "progressive" just characterizes certain types of trance/house tunes. Progressive trance tracks have clear buildups and you can sense the energy flowing into you thanks to gradually increasing bass lines, synths etc. So basically they start slowly but the tempo and flow gets harder and more intense as the song progresses Usually there is a detectable 'climax' in the tune. Also house tracks can have progressive touch, but the difference between typical house tracks is milder than in trance (hard house is an entirely different genre). Typical examples of progressive tracks (in my opinion ) Veracocha - Carte Blanche Binary Finary - 1998 [Paul Van Dyk Remix] Major League - Wonder Where You Are [Tiesto & Armin Remake] Floyd - Come 2 Gether [Vocal Club Mix] Neve - Sacrifice [Sagitaire Remix] Upper Level - Miss You [Sagitaire Remix] Minimalistix - Struggle for Pleasure Michael Mb - The Power of Trance Base trance[]control - Psychotic Chaos + many more Needless to say, I think these tracks KICK ASS!

Description - 100% but sorry those tunes u named (in my eyes) are purely uplifting! if u want a good idea of progressive stuff have a listen at timo maas, matt hardwick, nick warren or anyone similar...

a good example of progressive thats been posted on here is X-press 2 - AC/DC and Submarine - Sunbeam (Deepsky mix)

Coolz I agree with u peepz, Except for saying that Major League and Binary Finary are progressive.. but a lot of peepz do think stuff like that is progressive so who knows!!
Tracks that I see as progressive at the moment are like Datar's B, Futureshock's Sparc, Innate's Changes, Alchemy's Bruiser.. etc etc..

latez guys...

Since there is no "approved" or "official" definition of what different kinds of electronica is, don't you think that we tend to shape the definitions according to what we listen to ourselves?
I mean, everyone would love to be progressive, and since progressive trance is so loosely defined everyone can twist it to fit their own taste. Personally I like Mauro Picotto and other BXR-artists as well as Timo Maas, DJ Scot Project and other stuff like this, and if asked to define what progressive trance is, I would say it is trance that takes the genre into new directions - and thus refer to my own favourites.

Does anyone agree?

Hmm yap Quite frankly I have never understood what's the "real" difference between uplifting and progressive track. Im my eyes uplifting tracks can have sweet melody and create dreamy good feeling, but they lack the peak buildups and harder elements which progressive tracks introduce. Anyway, this is just my own way to categorize tunes since I don't think anyone can come up with a rock solid definition of different genres and say for sure that track XXX is purely YYY genre. Right?

PS. I think Timo Maas produces boring stuff

aight :D

Fair enough! I love timo and all that kinda stuff, it just does something... i dont know what its mad. many ppl think that progressive trance is boring but i think its exactly the opposite. I think its all in the way u listen to it, i know with any trance you tend to feel the music and rythmz, but too many ppl try to LISTEN to it, i think you should be HEARING it... if u dont know what im on about dont worry, i do!

What does it for me is the subtlety of progressive. Its not out and out bangin like your average cool trance tune (dj scott etc) its bangin in a completely different way..

i know what i want to say but i dont know how to explain it... ah well

peace

Most of those songs that Mindbender stated are "Cybertrance" anthems. I've never heard of the uplifting genre. Maybe its just not called that here in the states?

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Originally posted by Positiva Most of those songs that Mindbender stated are "Cybertrance" anthems. I've never heard of the uplifting genre. Maybe its just not called that here in the states?

What is Cybertrance?

im guessing...

im guessing its the yank word for uplifting...

Re: im guessing...

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Originally posted by tu_face im guessing its the yank word for uplifting...

err..never heard of it...cybertrance and I am a yank!

Progressive, when it's labeled by various record stores, basically has a housey feel to trance with clear steps of BPM rising (from 115 to 130 usually)

just my view

Yup, I guess it is just a yank word. To us PvD, Agnelli & Nelson, Binary Finary, Rank 1 are progressive and what is CYBER would be Minimalistix, Q-stix, Energy 52, Westbam, Gouryella, PPK. Have you guys heard of Mars and Mystre outside of California/the country? If you havent i'll post a whole bunch of songs that I totally would recommend downloading!

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Originally posted by SYNthSRI quote: Originally posted by tu_face im guessing its the yank word for uplifting... err..never heard of it...cybertrance and I am a yank! Progressive, when it's labeled by various record stores, basically has a housey feel to trance with clear steps of BPM rising (from 115 to 130 usually) just my view

Tu_Face, I was in NY last month and I went to Beyond Bass, you know, Johnny Vicious's store, and I saw a Cybertrance section. I also went to Satellite Records and saw a section there too. Anyone whose ever in NYC check out Beyond Bass, 60E 3rd Street Ny, Ny 10003!

Cybertrance??

Cybertrance??? lol... never heard of that....

What about groovytrance, hypertrance, dippidy-dippidy-doo-trance....?? lol

I have heard people calling epic trance, fluffy trance...

O.K. this thread obviously is the i'm going to prove i know a damn lot about trance. Think i'll save you all from my views, interesting to hear ur explainations though.

I know someone who got the song "Outta Space" by Mellow Trax and classified it as "Raggae-Trance"...

LoL!!! i almost burst out laughing

Outa Space is a cool song (the right mix of it ofcourse)!!

You know what, it's true how someone said it all depends on what each of us listens too and likes... We dun seem to agree so whatever... it ain't earth shattering...

I LOVE Timo Maas!!

hehe just had to add that in..

latez...

Well a Uplifting Genre of trance i consider it as Epic Trance..not CyberTrance... Satellite genres are wrong anyway....you go there they name everything thats epic and melodic Progressive..they mix house and trance together...and some are techno!! you cant go by that...but they dont have a cybertrance genre there hmmm..... I always called Melodic and Uplifting Trance...EPIC TRANCE many people i know called that way as well!

progressive

progressive anything = music that is progressing and pushing a genre forward. its as simple as that. it usually involves the blending of different styles of music. it changes over time like hybrid was progressive by taking elements of trance and breaks. i don't really see them as progressive anymore because that is now a standard. sasha and john digweed are progressive because they are always pushing the limits of what is coming out, always forward thinking. so basically you can't label progressive as a specific style of music 'cause it ain't
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oh and cyber trance is a "genre" of trance that mars and mystre of san francisco made up. i don't know who they think they are changing the name of established styles of trance but that is where "cyber" trance came from. i can't start calling house music whatever i want so i don't know why they started this cyber crap. plus it sucks

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Originally posted by defeated oh and cyber trance is a "genre" of trance that mars and mystre of san francisco made up. i don't know who they think they are changing the name of established styles of trance but that is where "cyber" trance came from. i can't start calling house music whatever i want so i don't know why they started this cyber crap. plus it sucks 316

I agree that their way of styling what they play as cybertrance is a little self-serving. However there is no denying Mars & Mystre are pioneers of the SF trance scene. Sorry but I have to defend them. I think this is best done by posting part of an interview with Thomas Trouble another DJ who has also been pretty influential to the SF bay area scene.

"I think Mars deserves much credit for taking the
gamble and opening F8 and exposing more people to the
genre, if fact this was the pebble in the pond that
was to cause more than just a mere ripple."
In 1997 Thomas opened the Trance and Jungle Factory
(now Skills) to further the SF trance scene but it
wasn't until about 98 or early 99 that the dance scene
exploded in general and the trance scene in
particular, and not only in San Francisco but
worldwide."

"Previous to this there was resistance from promoters to
book trance (house & breaks being the order of the
day) but with F8 doing their events followed by
Thoma's own events along with a handful of other small
trance oriented parties it wasn't long before numbers
began to swell. It wasn't long before previously
reluctant promoters began clambering to get a bit of
the trance action and a number of DJs from an array of
genres also formerly resistant to the trance scene
decided to hop on the bandwagon for the ride.
These events had the effect ,nevertheless, of swelling
a genre that would soon dominate this city's rave
scene. Thomas explains "since the six of us were in
ther before it was popular we now have a strong
standing and pedigree within the best and biggest
scene for trance in the country, in fact I like to
refer to San Francisco as "trance capital of the USA"
for one reason - because it is!"

(excerpts formTrance-State interview).

One more thing, although I like a lot of the songs Mindbender listed, I would not consider them Cybertrance nor progressive.

Suzaku




[Edited by Suzaku on Jan-17-2001 at 05:45]

here we go...

Here are some descriptions of music that we in the uk (i hope) tend to use

Uplifting Trance: Any trance that gives out the 'happy vibe' usually very melodic with big buildups and stuff

Hard Trance: An trance with a mega kickin bassline/drumline, also has very big riffs, sometimes even acid riffs

Progressive Trance: Pure adrenaline in a tune, very often has the same things popping up over and over (repetetive). usually builds up from a bare beat into a big climaz, although not the kind of climax you get in uplifting stuff. If u want to know what i mean here listen to x-press 2 - 'ac/dc'

Melodic Trance: Very much the same as uplifting trance but it has more melodic riffs and hooks. i.e. minimalistix - 'struggle for pleasure'

Deep/Dream Trance: Often very light trance, has strong links with progressive in that it can be repetative (but NOT boring!!), usually the kind of stuff sasha makes. a good example is sasha - 'xpander'

ive gone on enough now! ill shut up...

peace

I would have to agree with Suzaku strongly, Mars And Mystre didnt make Cybertrance, they're trying to bring it back, in the Early 90's they started bringing the scene back at a local bowling alley ont he haight and they've been re-digging up the Cyber Vibes. They opened up Frequency-8 in like the late 90's and it started getting the SF scene realy involved. Those guys ARE pioneers. Too bad Mystre has been hanging in Seattle for the past half year, I would have more respect for him if he hadnt left to open another store. But hey, hes still trying to make the scene bigger. any SF people listen to subsonic on saturday nites on Live105?

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