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Fading one track into another ....

Just wondering what most of you all do out there for fading ? do u use the volume to cue in ur record? Or the fader slider thingamajigy ?

i dont understand what you are asking.

I fade based on my "High" and "Lows" on my mixer

i dunno how other people do it but over time you will do this way i guess.

as in when bringing in song 2 into song 1 (the song already playing) how do u bring the song in , through the fader slider ? or is ur fader off, and sliding volume levels up and down ?

i dont use my crossfader at all. i only use my volume faders and my eq's. i feel like i get the most control like this.

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Originally posted by trancinchink i dont use my crossfader at all. i only use my volume faders and my eq's. i feel like i get the most control like this.

thats the way to go. crossfaders suck, you have lots more control with chan volume and eqs.

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i dont use my crossfader at all. i only use my volume faders and my eq's. i feel like i get the most control like this.

Trancinchink , any tips for a novice ??? so how do u bring the volume up? steadily... ??? quick ?? and at the same time, what eqs are u using to mix ?? highs, and lows ?? are there any tricks of the trade so to speak ?? thanks .. just inquisitive

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Originally posted by PVD fanatic any tips for a novice ??? so how do u bring the volume up? steadily... ??? quick ?? and at the same time, what eqs are u using to mix ?? highs, and lows ?? are there any tricks of the trade so to speak ?? thanks .. just inquisitive

i guess you could say you'll gradually learn over time. I dont know if there are any tricks personally. i've only been playing records for a month on and off... but recently just picked up on how to really use the eq's. i think its all about experimentation cause thats what im doing now

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Originally posted by PVD fanatic Trancinchink , any tips for a novice ??? so how do u bring the volume up? steadily... ??? quick ?? and at the same time, what eqs are u using to mix ?? highs, and lows ?? are there any tricks of the trade so to speak ?? thanks .. just inquisitive

depends on the track.

I usually cut the bass totally out, and leave the highs and mids eq at around 25% or less. then I slowly bring up the volume to about 75%. then I raise the eq level of the highs and mids to the beat.

for the bass it depends on the song, when I want to slowly mix it in so it is hardly noticable I will leave the volume at around 75% at this point and slowly increase the bass while only lowering the other chans bass about 10% total. then when I have all the eqs where I want, I raise the volume up to 100%, then reverse the process for the track going out.


or If I want to kick the bass in strong to keep the energy high, someitmes I will cut the bass of the other chan out and then bring both bass eqs in quickly. or just slam the new bassline over the old one.

those are just a few techniques you can use, just fool around with different songs, record the mixes though so you can get a good feel of how it sounds to others.

i like slamming in basslines..
pvd does it loads, and when done with the right key changes it can make you wet your pants.

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Originally posted by rafale i like slamming in basslines.. pvd does it loads, and when done with the right key changes it can make you wet your pants.

yeh, same here...its incredibly satisfying when you perform a perfect mix doing that


I also use the channel faders. The crossfader is useless to me just now...i think its not really suited to the gradual changes required when mixing trance. My mate uses it to mix hard trance/techno and he can make it sound amazing though.

My mixing technique kinda goes like this: when im bringing in the cued track, i have the bass close to the lowest it can go, the mids at 1/4 of the way up and i dont really use the treble that much unless the track has a lot of mid/high freq sounds in it.

Then when the time is right i bring the channel fader up to full(sometimes slowly/sometimes quickly depending on the track)Then i switch the bass of the two tracks round, then a wee bit after, i gradually decrease the outgoing tracks mids and bass and increase the incoming tracks mids. sometimes i switch the bass gradually. sometimes i do the whole thing differently...it just depends on what u think would sound best for the particular track...you get better at it the more you practice...

when i had the vestax mixers, i used the crossfaders.. right no wi have a vmx300, i use the volume faders bcuz the crossfader on vmx300 is "wierd"..

I've never used my crossfader. I always use the volume sliders and EQs.

I find this interesting that it seems most on here use the channel faders instead of the crossfaders. I don't really agree that using those will give you more control of the mix versus the crossfader. Maybe it depends on the type of mixer you use, or I guess its *comfortable* for some to do it one way or the other. All you can do is practice doing it one way and perfect it. I use the crossfader and just EQ the track to get the perfect blend, and it sounds great. I think it would be more difficult or not really more difficult, but something else to worry about while mixing that you don't go too high or low using the volume faders, and getting the bad looks from the crowd from program level swings ya know?? Maybe its just me.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY I don't really agree that using those will give you more control of the mix versus the crossfader.

It does in the way of controlling the volume of each channel. You might be surprised the kinds of effects people pull off and their need of the channel faders to do so. Also, the volume faders provide twice as much physical range as the crossfader (at least on my DJM), which I feel gives me more control over each channel's volume. I'd feel far too confined using the crossfader. I'm not sure if the curve on each channel fader is perfectly linear, but I know for a fact that the curve on the crossfader on my DJM-500 isn't quite up to par.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY I think it would be [...] something else to worry about while mixing that you don't go too high or low using the volume faders, and getting the bad looks from the crowd from program level swings

Well, if you mix in the correct places (and I use the term "correct" very loosely, as it's purely subjective and varies wildly), then that's usually not a concern. I've always mixed using channel faders, and the only thing I really have to worry about in terms of excessive EQ levels is the bass. So long as the gains are set correctly and the percentages of bass from each channel totals 100%, everything's usually peachy. The mids and high's usually aren't a concern either, because, with good cue points, you can have certain elements in one track come in as elements from the previous track die out. And there's usually about two phrases on average, in my mixes at least, where not too much is going on in either track for a bit of breathing room.

On the other hand, some folks' comfort level with the crossfader will depend greatly upon the mixer they have.

I used to use the x-fader but since trying the channel faders I haven't used the x-fader since.

When I mix radio-mainstream club music, I use the crossfader to scratch the intro track in with the volume at 75%, then I raise the the intro track volume to 100% gradually.

When I mix mainstream trance tracks with long mixdowns, I like to use the volume faders. I bring the intro track volume to about 75% until the 7th beat, then pump the volume to 100% right before the next 1st beat of the next set of 8 . My bass EQ is at 0 normally when this is done when I bring it in, then I gradually raise the intro track bass and decrease the outro track bass every 4 beats until I my intro track supercedes my outro track, (sometimes I will also use a little mid EQ and do it the same as I did with the Low-end Bass EQ), then when the break comes, I drop the volume fader on the outra track.

I think some mixers have shitty crossfader curves that have shitty adjustments. I have a Xone 32, And my crossfader curve is cool. ( I do admit that the crossfader curve still drops alot of sound out in the middle, but its not too bad). I do think there is more control over your mix with volumes faders, but it depends on what you want your mix to be. When I scratch my intro track in, I have more control using the crossfader than scratching my track in with the volume fader.

to each his own though....

Yea it must be to each their own...my mixer has Penny and Giles faders and crossfader, so using volume or xfader does the same thing...both are so damn smooth it doesn't matter what I use to mix, I get the same effect.

basically... just match them... and center the fader with the cued track down to 0. than just line the tracks and bring in the next track... if you want it to sound good, wait for the 32 beat sequence to end. than launch the track on cue, and fade in...


if you practice... its not difficult.

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