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Posted by Aldrian on Apr-12-2004 22:09:

DAMN IT!! Stupid FCC and Janet Jackson. Victoria's Secret no more

i'm pissed. they are not airing the Victoria's Secret anymore due to that crap Janet Jackson did.

just cause the show show's alot of hot women in lingerie. why does one thing affect everyting in this society why?????

i'm sure the ugly ass fat women of the world has something to do with it also. they have been complaining about the yearly lingerie show for ages just cause they know that they will never be as pretty as these women and as thin.

and they know their husbands get their jollies worked up from the show more than they ever worked it up with their fat ass wives.

i'm pissed

Posted by Boomer187 on Apr-12-2004 22:11:

hehe, stern was right, it won't stop at him.

http://howardstern.com

Posted by butterfly on Apr-12-2004 22:12:

blame the fundies.

and i agree, it's fucking ridiculous.

Posted by Krypton on Apr-12-2004 22:16:

FCC wont let me be, let me be me, so let me see,

they tried to shut me down on mtv,.......

welcome to american conservatism and the republican party holding the highest office in the land

Posted by Ste on Apr-12-2004 22:38:

unlucky, no easy wanks for you.

Posted by Electronicmaji on Apr-12-2004 22:47:

this is such GOOD news no more immorality on tv if you want to see that then watch it privately...

Posted by arctic on Apr-12-2004 22:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Ste
unlucky, no easy wanks for you.

No wanks = let's all laugh at the Americans because they're ruled by religious fundamentalists?

Seriously though - this is what you get when you've got too many far-right conservative Christians in positions of power.

Posted by butterfly on Apr-12-2004 22:52:

quote:
Originally posted by arctic
No wanks = let's all laugh at the Americans because they're ruled by religious fundamentalists?

Seriously though - this is what you get when you've got too many far-right conservative Christians in positions of power.

be careful, cause what if they come to your country when they are done with this one?

Posted by arctic on Apr-12-2004 23:01:

quote:
Originally posted by butterfly
be careful, cause what if they come to your country when they are done with this one?

Hehe. Sociologically, the US is fascinating, as it's slowly moving towards a theocracy. There are numerous things in place that violate the first amendment and the establishment clause - even the president is fond of dropping the old 'God bless America' and 'I'll be praying for...' phrases, and unlike in other western nations - young earth creationists and Christian television stations actually get time of day. In Europe, Japan, Australia & New Zealand and so on, YECs and ultra-conservatives like Ashcroft (who apparently believes that dancing is a sin) just don't get taken seriously. Australians are different to many Americans, that's all there is to it - this kind of crap wouldn't be tolerated here, or at least I hope it wouldn't. Truly, I genuinely feel sorry for the more liberal and non-religious yanks, it must be hell with all those fundies in your face 24/7. I admire your resilience.

Admittedly in Australia we have a censorship board riddled with a bunch of fucking morons who make some downright idiotic decisions, but they certainly don't go as far as people in the US would. Furthermore, there is evidence of them relaxing their practices, not to mention the fact that most people disagree with their actions.

Posted by butterfly on Apr-12-2004 23:04:

quote:
Originally posted by arctic
Hehe. Sociologically, the US is fascinating, as it's slowly moving towards a theocracy. There are numerous things in place that violate the first amendment and the establishment clause - even the president is fond of dropping the old 'God bless America' and 'I'll be praying for...' phrases, and unlike in other western nations - young earth creationists and Christian television stations actually get time of day. In Europe, Japan, Australia & New Zealand and so on, YECs and ultra-conservatives like Ashcroft (who apparently believes that dancing is a sin) just don't get taken seriously. Australians are different to many Americans, that's all there is to it - this kind of crap wouldn't be tolerated here, or at least I hope it wouldn't. Truly, I genuinely feel sorry for the more liberal and non-religious yanks, it must be hell with all those fundies in your face 24/7. I admire your resilience.

Admittedly in Australia we have a censorship board riddled with a bunch of fucking morons who make some downright idiotic decisions, but they certainly don't go as far as people in the US would. Furthermore, there is evidence of them relaxing their practices, not to mention the fact that most people disagree with their actions.

i agree with all this... though i dont think they will ever allow it to be called theocracy. i am hoping it is a phase that the country gets out of soon.

Posted by arctic on Apr-12-2004 23:18:

quote:
Originally posted by butterfly
i agree with all this... though i dont think they will ever allow it to be called theocracy. i am hoping it is a phase that the country gets out of soon.

Just a warning - there's a long winded rant coming up, so feel free to turn off if this kind of thing annoys you.

Don't get me wrong, it's far from a theocracy at the moment, but it's moving towards it, that much is for certain.

The founding fathers evidently recognised the need for church state separation, and as such penned the establishment clause and the first amendment (I believe that these are two separate things, no?). Thomas Paine in particular was an inspiration, 'The Age Of Reason' is an amazingly insightful piece of work.

The sad thing is, a lot of the founding fathers would be considered too liberal or immoral, and probably would be unable to be elected today. Paine and a few others were actually deists. At present, if you aren't Christian, or at least Jewish, then you can kiss goodbye any political aspirations - you simply wont get in, the religious right is simply too powerful. The RR is dictating it's particular brand of conservative and highly suspect morality to the majority. If they don't like pre-marital sex, then everyone else should hate it too! Thus, they push for exclusive teaching of abstinence in schools, which invariably ends up increasing the amount of unwanted pregnancies. Great logic eh?

Then there's the pledge of allegiance - changed to fight so-called 'godless communism' in the 50s. Add to that the constant 'god bless America', 'we should all pray' and so forth constantly uttered by the republicans, the 'in god we trust' on the money etc. etc., and you've got a recipe for disaster. From conversing with atheists, deists and agnostics who live in the south - it can be absolute hell for them. I've heard of cases of people being kicked out of home because they aren't a fire and brimstone southern baptist anymore. Non-Christians often feel ostracised and un-patriotic, just because they don't follow Christianity. It's a sad state of affairs - and to be honest, the founding fathers would be turning in their graves if they saw what the Bush and the religious right were doing to the constitution right now. It all ties back into the censorship issue � it's the religious conservatives imposing their theological views on everyone else.

Rant over.

Posted by Electronicmaji on Apr-12-2004 23:27:

well you guys are constantly saying "dont force your morality on us"

well all I will say is " dont force your immorality on us"

more thant 65 percent of americans are christians 75 percent think the current fcc standards ARE NOT STRICT ENOUGHT...

now in this nation there is freedom of speech but there is also anti slander anti profanity and respect of majority laws..

Posted by butterfly on Apr-12-2004 23:29:

quote:
Originally posted by arctic
Non-Christians often feel ostracised and un-patriotic, just because they don't follow Christianity.

i definitely feel like this. kinda like out of place or something. if i get an opportunity to work in another country, i would like to so i can see for myself if this country is as fucked up as i think it is.

Posted by butterfly on Apr-12-2004 23:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Electronicmaji
well you guys are constantly saying "dont force your morality on us"

well all I will say is " dont force your immorality on us"

more thant 65 percent of americans are christians 75 percent think the current fcc standards ARE NOT STRICT ENOUGHT...

now in this nation there is freedom of speech but there is also anti slander anti profanity and respect of majority laws..

we arent forcing anything. you can always turn off the tv or the radio if the content offends you. it isnt fair to mold pop culture to your needs.

Posted by Inertia on Apr-12-2004 23:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Electronicmaji
well you guys are constantly saying "dont force your morality on us"

well all I will say is " dont force your immorality on us"

more thant 65 percent of americans are christians 75 percent think the current fcc standards ARE NOT STRICT ENOUGHT...

now in this nation there is freedom of speech but there is also anti slander anti profanity and respect of majority laws..

and you get these magic statistics from where exactly?

either way, i dont see how there being a lingerie fashion show on TV is forcing immorality on anyone. if you think it is immoral, you basically have the option to change the channel. not to mention there is nothing really immoral about it, it's as about immoral as spending a day at the beach would be.

Posted by arctic on Apr-12-2004 23:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Electronicmaji
well you guys are constantly saying "dont force your morality on us"

Don't force the illogical parts of your moral code on us. This show, and other things that have been banned recently hurts nobody, and doesn't infringe on anyone else's rights. There's no reason to stop others watching it simply because you don't like it.

quote:
well all I will say is " dont force your immorality on us"

Thanks for the input. Now, define immorality, and explain why this show is immoral.

quote:
more thant 65 percent of americans are christians 75 percent think the current fcc standards ARE NOT STRICT ENOUGHT...

now in this nation there is freedom of speech but there is also anti slander anti profanity and respect of majority laws..

So you believe in the dictatorship of the majority over the minority? Turn this around for the moment. Imagine that you are in the minority (as you would be in many other countries). Would you like it if Islamic morality, for instance, was imposed on you? Don't you understand that a theocratic system is a slippery slope to disaster?

By the way, if you don't believe in equal rights under the law, freedom of religion, free speech and so forth - you might want to get rid of that pesky constitution, and that horrid bill of rights. After all, we wont be needing those any more!

Posted by Radagast on Apr-12-2004 23:43:

George Bush Jr. is the Antichrist.

Posted by arctic on Apr-12-2004 23:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Radagast
George Bush Jr. is the Antichrist.

*Looks at avatar*

I though I was the antichrist.

Posted by rainbow_marble on Apr-13-2004 00:18:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Posted by douglasmc on Apr-13-2004 00:23:

Posted by DaveSZ on Apr-13-2004 00:27:

Vote for Kerry.

The president appoints the FCC chair, and it's the only way to get our boobies back on TV.

Meanwhile Asscroft is working on banning pr0n.

Posted by DaveSZ on Apr-13-2004 00:29:

quote:
Originally posted by arctic
Hehe. Sociologically, the US is fascinating, as it's slowly moving towards a theocracy. There are numerous things in place that violate the first amendment and the establishment clause - even the president is fond of dropping the old 'God bless America' and 'I'll be praying for...' phrases, and unlike in other western nations - young earth creationists and Christian television stations actually get time of day. In Europe, Japan, Australia & New Zealand and so on, YECs and ultra-conservatives like Ashcroft (who apparently believes that dancing is a sin) just don't get taken seriously. Australians are different to many Americans, that's all there is to it - this kind of crap wouldn't be tolerated here, or at least I hope it wouldn't. Truly, I genuinely feel sorry for the more liberal and non-religious yanks, it must be hell with all those fundies in your face 24/7. I admire your resilience.

Admittedly in Australia we have a censorship board riddled with a bunch of fucking morons who make some downright idiotic decisions, but they certainly don't go as far as people in the US would. Furthermore, there is evidence of them relaxing their practices, not to mention the fact that most people disagree with their actions.

Yep, if Bush is reelected there will be creationism in the public schools.

Posted by butterfly on Apr-13-2004 00:30:

quote:
Originally posted by DaveSZ

Meanwhile Asscroft is working on banning pr0n.

like completely?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well, at least there will still be internet porn.

Posted by DaveSZ on Apr-13-2004 00:31:

quote:
Originally posted by butterfly
i definitely feel like this. kinda like out of place or something. if i get an opportunity to work in another country, i would like to so i can see for myself if this country is as fucked up as i think it is.

It is as fucked up as you think it is.

Trust me.

Posted by DaveSZ on Apr-13-2004 00:38:

quote:
Originally posted by butterfly
like completely?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well, at least there will still be internet porn.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ba...-home-headlines

He's even talking about cracking down on HBO style pr0n, and a jury from his own home district in Missouri doesn't even agree with him.

He's a fanatic plain and simple.

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