Supersaw with Nord Lead or similar system

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Posted by Trancevision on Apr-13-2004 16:26:

Supersaw with Nord Lead or similar system

Hi !

Some weeks ago I bought a nord lead ( nord rack ) II synth and I was very happy. But, the problem, is somehow that I can't find to get a real good supersaw sound similar to the JP8080.

Problems:

- Unisono sounds different compared to most other unisono on different synth

- osc 1 can't be detuned and you have only two osc per patch.

- in performance mode you can layer 4 patches, which means only 4 detuneable oscilators. Unisone isn't really helpful...

Anyone got any idea what detune values would be best ?

Anyone with a decent supersaw patch for me ( I got lots of nice patches and samples for all kind of soft/ hardware synth sampler -->
just to give you a reward ) ?

Trancevision

Posted by rb2k1 on Apr-13-2004 17:55:

i think the problem may be that you bought the nord lead and not the jp-8080 for your supersaws :P (also ive never used unison on my supersaws)

have your tried vengeance-sound.de tho?

Maybe Manuel can Help you

~Ross B

Posted by trancenrg69 on Apr-13-2004 19:07:

Supersaw =JP8080/8000

Posted by Trancevision on Apr-14-2004 08:51:

any other ideas ?

Posted by DeZmA on Apr-14-2004 09:47:

maybe try playing the same thing over different channels using the same patch with other detuning.
Everything else is said. Supersaw is roland jp80x0

Posted by broken silence on Apr-15-2004 03:40:

Unfortunately, not many things can achieve the supersaw. I've had quite a few synths but they just don't cut it.

The few things I have used that have come close to the supersaw:

Novation Nova (3 oscs, double saw, assigned width to a saw wave LFO) (added hi-freq, cut mids)

Subtractor (Unison 16, **heavily** eqed)

There has to be some good supersaw refills around somewhere...it would be basically the same thing, just digital samples of a digital osc in the first place.

What I dont get is why someone hasn't just put the "mix" control on the supersaw to full and sampled every "detune" setting up until 127. Thats only 127 samples...put it in a s/w synth with an envelope and filter and its an exact replica of the JP...

But that shit like superwave etc is really really good, but sounds NOTHING like JP. It's almost laughable if you compare them side by side....(they dos ound great in their own way though)

Posted by 8Wonders on Apr-15-2004 07:29:

Complete and utter bullshit.

You can achieve the supersaw sound with ANYTHING, if not with one instance, with multiple instances for sure.

As for the Nord, yes you can achieve the supersaw sound, albeit not with a single patch but with 4 patches running at the same time. Heck 3 would suffice.

Nord's unison is not a true unison, it's simply a glorified chorus effect, afaik.

Posted by Trancevision on Apr-15-2004 11:09:

quote:
Originally posted by DC-
Complete and utter bullshit.

You can achieve the supersaw sound with ANYTHING, if not with one instance, with multiple instances for sure.

As for the Nord, yes you can achieve the supersaw sound, albeit not with a single patch but with 4 patches running at the same time. Heck 3 would suffice.

Nord's unison is not a true unison, it's simply a glorified chorus effect, afaik.

I already did that, detuned some patches and run them at the same time. Sounds not bad, but not as good as I want...Yes, and that unisono is not satisfying...

Posted by DeZmA on Apr-15-2004 12:04:

quote:
Originally posted by DC-
Complete and utter bullshit.

You can achieve the supersaw sound with ANYTHING, if not with one instance, with multiple instances for sure.

As for the Nord, yes you can achieve the supersaw sound, albeit not with a single patch but with 4 patches running at the same time. Heck 3 would suffice.

Nord's unison is not a true unison, it's simply a glorified chorus effect, afaik.

What do you think I said ?
I just said the term supersaw comes from roland..
And every synth has its own "sound" so you won't be able to have a 100% duplicate from the jp80x0

Posted by State of Matter on Apr-15-2004 19:12:

quote:
Originally posted by DeZmA
What do you think I said ?
I just said the term supersaw comes from roland..
And every synth has its own "sound" so you won't be able to have a 100% duplicate from the jp80x0

Pretty sure he was referring to the post directly under yours.

Posted by broken silence on Apr-15-2004 19:21:

I'm gonna stick to my point saying that not anything will get you that JP sound. If you've had one for a period of time and compared, you'll easily see why the JP is so unique.

(I'm not one of those super JP fans either-- In fact, I just sold the damn thing...felt like I was finished with the box. Aside from supersaw and some of its cross modulation effects, I couldn't find much more of a use for it in my songs. So I'm not blindly defending the JP because I'm obsessed with it...just that you're never going to get THAT JP sound out of any other box...sure you can get other big saw leads, even better than the JP, but they're not going to do THE supersaw sound. Just kinda come close to it..)