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Posted by xKaoSx on Apr-14-2004 00:38:

June 30- Iraq on it's own?

Did I hear dumb ass correctly?

Sorry- Assumed everyone is in US. lol

GW is doing a presidential news conference right now


Posted by Yoepus on Apr-14-2004 00:50:

no, they need more troops. Don't worry, everything will be fine once they get more troops



Posted by NYCTrancefan on Apr-14-2004 00:57:

Re: June 30- Iraq on it's own?

quote:
Originally posted by xKaoSx
Did I hear dumb ass correctly?

Sorry- Assumed everyone is in US. lol

GW is doing a presidential news conference right now


I hope to goodness that would be true, we shall see what happens. I frankly believe that too many in Iraq are afraid to tell those involved in the violence such as Al-Sadr's "army" to give peace a chance and let the political process decide the future of Iraq and not bloody violence. If the U.S. is smart it would make Ayatollah Sistani leader and leave Iraq FOREVER. Mark my words Iraq will become a theocracy, you can bet on it, I can care less though I just want the U.S. to get the hell out.


Posted by Izzy on Apr-14-2004 01:27:

lets calm down here:

Asked about his willingness to commit troops and the length of time they will be serving, Bush said they will be there for as long as it takes "and not one day more"

On June 30th, Iraqi sovereignty will be placed in Iraqi hands," he said.


Posted by Psionic on Apr-14-2004 01:35:

Sorry, I just can't stand hearing him anymore. When he uses improper grammar by saying "People who have lost their life" and talks about how he has flaws he does not show any confidence. And everytime a reporter asks him a question he goes on to tangential topics. How the fuck did this guy get in office?


Posted by Yoepus on Apr-14-2004 01:37:

gosh one week of bad press and you guys want to run out with your tail between your legs.


what so radically changed in one weeks time to change the course of such a large set of frameworks set in full motion


Posted by NYCTrancefan on Apr-14-2004 01:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Galapidate
Sorry, I just can't stand hearing him anymore. When he uses improper grammar by saying "People who have lost their life" and talks about how he has flaws he does not show any confidence. And everytime a reporter asks him a question he goes on to tangential topics. How the fuck did this guy get in office?


I sometimes wonder the latter as well, by the way hope PvD is off the hook on 06/25 will be there, without a doubt.


Posted by ambs on Apr-14-2004 01:40:

OK, talk about a "burning bush"!!!
WTF was that???

Everything that came out of Bush's mouth tonight sounded like a highschooler going into an oral exam without studying for it...
That was a whole lot of bla bla bla but I really got the feeling he didn't know what he was talking about!!

He didn't actually answer any of the questions that he was asked and he brought up the same points 3 or 4 times....

And calling Powell and Rumsfeld secretary of state

I sat there watching and I seriously had tears running down my face from laughing so loud.....


Posted by Q5echo on Apr-14-2004 02:18:

It's a tough job.
He's not the slickest speaker. If you like a silver tounge, listen to Clinton.
Without a doubt, the man conveys his convictions. Verbal nuance is not this mans strong suit. He does not appeal to people that expect a glamourized, "T.V." friendly fascade.To listen this man seriously, requires a certain amount of maturity to be able to see through his so-called speach impetiments and actually hear his intentions. Although I don't expect a few on this forum will do that.
As my commander in chief, I'm behind this president 100%.
I believe he is a stronger leader than we've had in this country than years I've been alive.


Posted by Psionic on Apr-14-2004 03:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
It's a tough job.
He's not the slickest speaker. If you like a silver tounge, listen to Clinton.
Without a doubt, the man conveys his convictions. Verbal nuance is not this mans strong suit. He does not appeal to people that expect a glamourized, "T.V." friendly fascade.To listen this man seriously, requires a certain amount of maturity to be able to see through his so-called speach impetiments and actually hear his intentions. Although I don't expect a few on this forum will do that.
As my commander in chief, I'm behind this president 100%.
I believe he is a stronger leader than we've had in this country than years I've been alive.


Being a good public speaker is a quality presidents need though. Bush sounded like a whining kid tonight, and it really got on my nerves. I'm not going to argue about his policies (too tired to right now), but I am going to say that the way a person speaks, I believe, shows how strong the person is as a leader. Bush certainly did not sound like a leader tonight, and he even admitted his personal faults a little, which is something a strong leader should not do. That shows even more weakness, and I don't think it is right to keep this puppet in office for another four years.


Posted by Q5echo on Apr-14-2004 04:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Galapidate
Bush certainly did not sound like a leader tonight, and he even admitted his personal faults a little, which is something a strong leader should not do. That shows even more weakness, and I don't think it is right to keep this puppet in office for another four years.


your personal feelings aside.
A little humility as a leader is a fault?
And who do you think the puppetmaster is or are?


Posted by borron on Apr-14-2004 10:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
It's a tough job.
He's not the slickest speaker. If you like a silver tounge, listen to Clinton.
Without a doubt, the man conveys his convictions. Verbal nuance is not this mans strong suit. He does not appeal to people that expect a glamourized, "T.V." friendly fascade.To listen this man seriously, requires a certain amount of maturity to be able to see through his so-called speach impetiments and actually hear his intentions. Although I don't expect a few on this forum will do that.
As my commander in chief, I'm behind this president 100%.
I believe he is a stronger leader than we've had in this country than years I've been alive.


Are you one of those smart people who believe iraq had wmd's?


Posted by NYCTrancefan on Apr-14-2004 11:39:

Everyone knows that Bush is only less inept a leader than he is a public speaker. The vernacular repertoire of a political leader such as Roosevelt or L.B.J is just not a part of Bush's capabilities, hence we are arguing a dead issue. Bad grammatical structure and all aside I would do better to see him out of office.


Posted by xKaoSx on Apr-14-2004 12:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
As my commander in chief, I'm behind this president 100%.
I believe he is a stronger leader than we've had in this country than years I've been alive.


What are you? 3 years old?


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Apr-14-2004 14:08:

quote:
Originally posted by xKaoSx
What are you? 3 years old?


Yeah, no kidding. I'm a progressive, but I'd take Bush Sr. and/or Reagan anyday of the week over this immature, stubborn, brat in office at present.


Posted by xKaoSx on Apr-14-2004 14:24:

quote:
Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Yeah, no kidding. I'm a progressive, but I'd take Bush Sr. and/or Reagan anyday of the week over this immature, stubborn, brat in office at present.


I wonder if you sat down with George Sr and asked him to critique the presidents perfomance what he would actually think.

He must watch him and just think " What the hell are you think'n boy?"


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Apr-14-2004 14:33:

quote:
Originally posted by xKaoSx
I wonder if you sat down with George Sr and asked him to critique the presidents perfomance what he would actually think.

He must watch him and just think " What the hell are you think'n boy?"


Well, perhaps somethin' along those lines:

quote:
Book: Poppy opposed Dubya's war





By THOMAS M. DeFRANK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF

WASHINGTON - A new book on the Bush political dynasty claims former President George H.W. Bush opposed last year's invasion of Iraq.
In "The Bushes: Portrait of a Dynasty," Peter and Rochelle Schweizer cite as evidence a summer 2002 interview in which the older Bush's sister said her brother had expressed his "anguish" about the administration's preparations for war.

"But do they have an exit strategy?" the former President is quoted as worrying.

"Although he never went public with them," the authors assert, "the President's own father shared many of [the] concerns" of Brent Scowcroft, his national security adviser and a leading war opponent.

Top Bush aide Jean Becker denied the allegations yesterday.

"From the very first day, President Bush 41 unequivocally supported the President on the war in Iraq," she said. "He had absolutely no reservations of any kind."

Peter Schweizer is a research fellow at Stanford University's conservative Hoover Institution and authored "Reagan's War."

The book pries open the door slightly on one of the Bush clan's most closely held secrets: the former President's private qualms about portions of his son's Iraq policy.

"He agrees with the policy goals but not with all of the execution," a close friend told the Daily News.

The older Bush has maintained strict public silence about possible differences, and only last week hammered "elites and intellectuals on the campaign trail" for criticizing the war.

Yet close friends and associates said the older Bush, while fiercely proud and protective of his son, nevertheless harbors concerns about the war and its aftermath.

These sources told The News that aside from his "exit-strategy" fears of a prolonged, bloody conflict, the ex-President is troubled that the war fractured the international coalition he painstakingly assembled to expel deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein from Kuwait in 1991.

One close associate said the older Bush feels Vice President Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld may have pushed President Bush too hard for a preemptive strike.

In his 1998 diplomatic memoir, the former President offered this impassioned defense of his controversial decision not to attack Baghdad and topple Saddam in 1991:

"Trying to eliminate Saddam ... would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. ... Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."

One well-placed Bush colleague said the older Bush recently acknowledged, "I'm having trouble with my boy," referring to Iraq.

Originally published on April 6, 2004

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/st...1p-157188c.html


Posted by igottaknow on Apr-14-2004 14:39:

Re: June 30- Iraq on it's own?

quote:
Originally posted by xKaoSx
GW is doing a presidential news conference right now

Not sure how it could be called a 'news conference', since we didn't learn anything new and he didn't answer any questions. He could have just prerecorded the whole thing and sent it to CNN. His use of Vague generalities about supporting the troops, fighting for freedom, liberating the Iraqis and protecting America made me wonder if someone could break through this euphoric bubble he lives in and let him know what the hell is going on in Iraq and if he has a plan to get us out of there for god's sake!

I get the feeling when his staff needs to discuss foreign policy they send him into the daycare center room, where he can play with his toy tanks and dress up as a soldier, while the adults try to figure out what the heck to do.


Posted by xKaoSx on Apr-14-2004 14:43:

Re: Re: June 30- Iraq on it's own?

quote:
Originally posted by igottaknow
Not sure how it could be called a 'news conference', since we didn't learn anything new and he didn't answer any questions. He could have just prerecorded the whole thing and sent it to CNN. His use of Vague generalities about supporting the troops, fighting for freedom, liberating the Iraqis and protecting America made me wonder if someone could break through this euphoric bubble he lives in and let him know what the hell is going on in Iraq and if he has a plan to get us out of there for god's sake!


Maybe he's taking lessons from the Bin Ladin tapes?
Is it live or memorex?



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