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What's with this stupid food tax?

http://www.nomealtax.ca/

They want to start taxing food that is under 4 dollars if you buy it at school, cafeteria, hospital or restaurant.

So if you buy a donut and a coffee at Timmie's you will get charged another 8 percent on top of everything else.

thats dumb alrigth... they just want more money...

wtf, that would be so crappy. I dont know about anybody else, but living on my own, Ive lost enough weight as it is from the "I cant afford to eat" diet. This is totally wrong and unfair IMO.

In addition, all the healthy foods are under 4 dollars, you can pick up apples oranges, fruit juices, etc for under a dollar even, but if you to to mcdicks or any fast food place, you get a combo thats already over 4 dollars. Something like this will definitely increase the fast food chains sales, making people more likely to eat fast food much much more and people becoming more overweight. I can see Canada's obesity rate increasing like that of the US as an indirect result of this.

Pure Crap.

well most meals are above 3.99 now.... I guess it sux for coffee drinkers. SUCKAZ. dont drink that shit. It'll kill ya.

come to alberta, land of no bad tax
no pst
mo lpst
no geigh food tax
just the 7% GST that I support.

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Originally posted by psychosomatica well most meals are above 3.99 now.... I guess it sux for coffee drinkers. SUCKAZ. dont drink that shit. It'll kill ya.

there are lots of things that they are going to start taxing this way. If you want to buy just a chocolate milk or ice tea in the corner store you will get taxed. Or a fucking chocolate bar.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess So if you buy a donut and a coffee at Timmie's you will get charged another 8 percent on top of everything else.

It is supposed to be a "fat tax" designed to recover some of the health care costs as a result of people pounding back Big Mac's all day long.

The problem is - it doesn't tax just unhealthy food. You buy an apple or banana on your lunch - you gotta pay tax. You buy a salad - you pay tax.

This is why I would lever vote for the provincial liberal party - their intentions seem to be good - but they generally f**k things up in the details.

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Plus - doesn't anybody remember the promise "we will not raise taxes for the people of ontario"???

Christ - I already pay alot of tax (including income, gst and pst) and now I gotta pay more?

Just because they don't increase my income tax - doesn't mean they aren't increasing taxes.

IMO there should be outrage with this type of activity.

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Originally posted by j_spot come to alberta, land of no bad tax no pst mo lpst no geigh food tax just the 7% GST that I support.

Alberta

Zeig Heil!! Zeig Heil!! let us all follow der Fururor Klien. If it wasnt for the oil, Alberta would be saskatchewan only uglier and more redneck.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker It is supposed to be a "fat tax" designed to recover some of the health care costs as a result of people pounding back Big Mac's all day long. The problem is - it doesn't tax just unhealthy food. You buy an apple or banana on your lunch - you gotta pay tax. You buy a salad - you pay tax. This is why I would lever vote for the provincial liberal party - their intentions seem to be good - but they generally f**k things up in the details.

however in all honesty in light of walkerton and the meat inspection scandals.. the coservative provincial party hasnt proven a whole lot better.. by the way.. lest we forget it was they who left us with the 5billion dollar debt. SO if liberals aren't good, and conservatives aren't either.. who the hell do we vote for? NDP? yea right!

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker It is supposed to be a "fat tax" designed to recover some of the health care costs as a result of people pounding back Big Mac's all day long. The problem is - it doesn't tax just unhealthy food. You buy an apple or banana on your lunch - you gotta pay tax. You buy a salad - you pay tax. This is why I would lever vote for the provincial liberal party - their intentions seem to be good - but they generally f**k things up in the details. ----- Plus - doesn't anybody remember the promise "we will not raise taxes for the people of ontario"??? Christ - I already pay 50% tax (including income, gst and pst) and now I gotta pay more? Just because they don't increase my income tax - doesn't mean they aren't increasing taxes. IMO there should be outrage with this type of activity.

by the way RJ... if we're talking income tax, please shed some light on the 50% amount..
I thought if you made between $0-7850 your not taxed at all..

between 7850-40000(something like that) its 18%

and then from $40-65 its something like %30 on the difference between 40 and 65.. not on the entire amount.

and it gets progressively higher, correct me if i'm wrong.

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe however in all honesty in light of walkerton

Of course! How right you are! Because some idiot decides to falsely report water tests it MUST be the conservative's fault.

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lest we forget it was they who left us with the 5billion dollar debt.

The only reason it is 5 billion is because the Liberal party refuses to part with 2.2 billion worth of provincially owned property (which the Conservatives planned on doing) so as far as I see, the deficit is only 2.7 billion.

Plus - the general auditor of ontario has said they expect anywhere from 1.5 to 1.9 billion in additional tax revenues this year as a result in the improvement in the economy - which the Liberals also seem to refuse/ignore. So as far as I see it the deficit is actually 0.8 billtion to 1.2 billion.

Considering SARS (which had an estimated financial impact of over $700 million) and the blackout (which had an estimated financial impact in excess of $200 million) - a deficit of 0.8 billion to 1.2 billion is completely reasonable in my opinion.

Even if the Liberals didn't sell the provincial assets - we'd be looking at 3.1 to 3.5 billion (5 minus the additional 1.5 to 1.9).

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Lets all watch the Liberals now spend themselves deeper beyond the 0.8 to 1.2 billion (or even 3.1/3.5 billion) all the way up to the 5 billion JUST SO THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY WERE LYING (and so they can give hand outs to the labour unions who put them in office).

Any gov't that would lie about the deficit isn't a gov't I'd ever vote for.

right you are.. however selling the LCBO to get out of debt is the not the right answer. It makes a billion in profit a year not including alcohol sales tax which is around $300 million. Selling profitable provincially owned corps and or property isnt the right way to do things. Let's use CN rail as an example (i know its federal but still) CN rail was hugely profitable, however VIA is not! So they sold CN rail, and all the rail lines to a private consortium, now CN rail gouges VIA enormous prices to use CN rail lines. I'm all for free market enterprise but c'mon thats just a stupid thing to do.

SO we're sitll looking at least 4 billion in debt if we don't include SARS and the blackout thats unaccounted for.

p.s you forget a rebuttal to the beef inspection scandal.. I love hearing how 1 man is the scapegoat not whether the entire administration is responsible...

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe and it gets progressively higher, correct me if i'm wrong.

Wanna see a copy of my T4 and T5 while your at it??

I'll PM you the Ontario marginal rate chart - add 15% (after tax money) to the amount on the chart to get effective tax rate.

And of course that doesn't even touch hidden taxes (liquor, tobacco, etc).

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Wanna see a copy of my T4 and T5 while your at it?? I'll PM you the Ontario marginal rate chart.

lol don't need to see the T4.. just some light on how the progressive income tax exactly works.. i'm getting different information here.

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe you forget a rebuttal to the beef inspection scandal.. I love hearing how 1 man is the scapegoat not whether the entire administration is responsible...

Admitedly I'm not as informed about this issue (or "scandal" as sensationalized liberals like to refer to it as ) - however what I will tell you that the whole grocery food business (meat, produce import/export) is SERIOUSLY influenced by organized crime, corruption and other shady dealings (which I know from being a butcher's apprentice for a number of years).

This if course is unacceptable - but in any industry, especialy one that has vested interest by organized crime, you are going to have rules ignored, people "bought", regulations broken, etc - Gov't or private.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Admitedly I'm not as informed about this issue (or "scandal" as sensationalized liberals like to refer to it as ) - however what I will tell you that the whole grocery food business is SERIOUSLY influenced by organized crime, corruption and other shady dealings (which I know from being a butcher's apprentice for a number of years). This if course is unacceptable - but in any industry, especialy one that has vested interest by organized crime you are going to have rules ignored, people "bought", regulations broked, etc - Gov't or private.

yah know I wouldnt be surprsied.. its odd however since the grocery food industry is one of the most unionized as well.

oh and by the way.. lol at "sensationaled liberals". You think if the spots were switched the conservatives would have any less of a field day with it? By the way, I dunno about you but Steven Harper scares me!

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe yah know I wouldnt be surprsied.. its odd however since the grocery food industry is one of the most unionized as well.

Lol. Stop and think about what you just said for a second....

Organized crime.

Union.

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I helped do some engineering drawings for an independent grocery store chain a number of years back.

I met with the owner of the chain one day at his house to go over some drawings with one of the engineers. The owner and the engineering were talking about why he could offer quarts of strawberries for $1.00 each during December when A&P or Loblaws had them at $3.00 or so.

The owner proceeded to explain how whole containers at the food terminal tend to go "missing", how customs officers sometimes seem to "forget" to count whole shipments, etc.

Seeing that Loblaws, GAP Co. and others are public - I'm sure they have to be much more careful since their books are public. The owner of this chain had number of stores (double digits) but was private - so probably had more liberty to take advantage of these special offers.

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe By the way, I dunno about you but Steven Harper scares me!

Me too! I thought we were keeping this provincial so I didn't bother to go federal.

Harper is a nutcase. Him and his new party will not get my vote.

Federal Liberals are pretty damn blue in my opinion (even more so with Martin at the healm). Any comparison between Daulton and Martin is crazy. Daulton is as red as they get. Martin is a liberal because his father was and because he wants to get elected (not because he is a -true- liberal).

Martin will get my vote federally until the conservatives stop being such friggin radicals.

I am against any new tax whatsoever!! Although if I have to pay something I would sooner pay a food tax than have photo radar back on the road. (Which they are also considering)

What happened to the Liberals promises to "run a tight ship ... while not raising taxes" and to "give you better value for your money while keeping taxes down."

Great in principle, but this will fail in execution.

However, when you think about it, most full meals that are healthy are above $4. It is far, far more expensive to buy healthy food.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Me too! I thought we were keeping this provincial so I didn't bother to go federal. Harper is a nutcase. Him and his new party will not get my vote. Federal Liberals are pretty damn blue in my opinion (even more so with Martin at the healm). Any comparison between Daulton and Martin is crazy. Daulton is as red as they get. Martin is a liberal because his father was and because he wants to get elected (not because he is a -true- liberal). Martin will get my vote federally until the conservatives stop being such friggin radicals.

completley agreed there! Liberals will get my vote as well.. I dunno, i'll like Dalton once (if he can) backup any of his claims. He's no better then Shady earny eves.. but I digress.

I can understand your feelings about Unions .. but please don't generalize.. not all of them are tied together with org. crime. I just imagine people correlating opseu or cupe, or the teachers union with org russian mafia. Now that would be hilarious! HOWEVER.. now that i've lived and worked in the world of finance just a tiny little bit I must admit the gov needs a shakeup. Lower level public servants don't do jack shit all.. we can have a smaller more effecient government without losing any services.. If we abide by effeciency standards and have achievement rewards. But alas stuff like that is just against everything that a bureacracy stands for.

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Originally posted by Skipper However, when you think about it, most full meals that are healthy are above $4. It is far, far more expensive to buy healthy food.

I guess my vegie soup or salad I get a few times a week @ $2.50 isn't healthy - same with the banana I buy every morning and same with the hard boiled egg I get a few times per week.

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe we can have a smaller more effecient government without losing any services.. If we abide by effeciency standards and have achievement rewards. But alas stuff like that is just against everything that a bureacracy stands for.

Lets all lobby to get the gov't ISO registered!

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opseu or cupe, or the teachers union

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lower level public servants don't do jack shit all..

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The unions involved with organized crime are not the above two (I think you know who I'm talking about).

opseu, cupe and teachers union are public sector as far as I'm concerned.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker .... The unions involved with organized crime are not the above two (I think you know who I'm talking about). opseu, cupe and teachers union are public sector as far as I'm concerned.

oh i know..

but when you say

Organized crime

Union..


its a nice far flung generalization..

p.s cupe and opseau and all them.. they ARE still unions public sector or not..

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