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Posted by Strep on Apr-18-2004 02:15:

Trance at 125bpm???

I've just come up with a great (IMO) riff but it just doesn't sound good if played faster that 125bpm........would that still be trance?

I'm under the impression that it should really be in the 130 -140bpm range.

Can anyone give any examples of trance at a slower bpm?

Posted by auujay on Apr-18-2004 05:51:

Re: Trance at 125bpm???

quote:
Originally posted by Strep
I've just come up with a great (IMO) riff but it just doesn't sound good if played faster that 125bpm........would that still be trance?

I'm under the impression that it should really be in the 130 -140bpm range.

Can anyone give any examples of trance at a slower bpm?

Prog

Seriously though, Leama and Moor - Requiem For a Dream and Moogwai - Neon are both slow.

Also:
Invisible Inc - Stars
Delerium - Truly [Infusion Remix]
Kate Bush vs Infusion - Running up that hill
Jewel - Stand [Markus Schulz Coldhard Mix]
Shmual Flash - Chilling Moments

As you can see these are all pretty close to progressive. There are lots of good prog tracks in the 120-130 BPM range, just no epic trance stormers.

PS - I just got to add Jase from Outer Space - Do what you want [Infusion Remix] because it is such a great song and only at like 123 BPM.

Posted by KilldaDJ on Apr-18-2004 09:51:

trance at 125bpm = too slow

ffs u might as well listen to downtempo.

trance for me will always be 140bpm>

Posted by BetaFactory on Apr-18-2004 13:53:

Why not. If it sounds best at 125 BPM, keep it 125 BPM. And call it trance if you'd like to as well, and if you think it sounds trancey. BPM-barriers are only foolish. Trance seems to work and sound like trance in quite a broad spectrum of BPM. I guess the same can't be said about genres like happy hardcore...

Posted by alanzo on Apr-18-2004 14:40:

125 is definitly to slow for trance.. and great bass lines work better for house or progressive anyway..

Posted by Mossy on Apr-18-2004 16:14:

thing is, the majority of trance DJ's aren't going to like it if its only 125bpm and sounds bad any faster, so your shooting yourself in the foot really.

Posted by Freak on Apr-18-2004 16:59:

Chicane -Offshore is 125.8 BPM, and that fits fine in any set-
It all depends what mood etc the track is in as to whethyer it works at a certain speed.

Cut it at the speed it sounds best at- thats why turntables have pitch control.....

Posted by noikeee on Apr-18-2004 17:16:

if it sounds good then it's good, leave it

usually i like to put bpm's on a playable range, but the first thing you should have in mind is to make a good track, not to make a playable track to sell a lot. it's because of crap like this that sometimes music doesn't evolve - break the rules!

one example of great slowed down (progressive) trance is subsphere - i think both his remixes of azior are around 125 and the originals infinite/sweet fragrance are 130

Posted by djthunderbird on Apr-18-2004 18:36:

hmm If you're trying to go prog, then ~126-128 is tempo to go for (most holden / chable / infusion productions are in that range)

127 can easily be pitched up to 133 and voila there you have it: pumpin' prog

Posted by MrCowski on Apr-18-2004 20:02:

I've done epic trance at 128 bpm. As long as the melody uses chords and not fast individual notes, if works fine, if a bit...different. Really, use whatever bpm works.

Posted by Floorfiller on Apr-18-2004 20:23:

if its good...as already said leave it...

if a dj wants to work it into a set...the dj will...i've heard trance dj's work in tracks that are at 178bpm and track that are at 125bpm so...really it can be done...just make good music...

Posted by Spin Doctor on Apr-18-2004 23:11:

quote:
Originally posted by BetaFactory
Why not. If it sounds best at 125 BPM, keep it 125 BPM. And call it trance if you'd like to as well, and if you think it sounds trancey. BPM-barriers are only foolish. Trance seems to work and sound like trance in quite a broad spectrum of BPM. I guess the same can't be said about genres like happy hardcore...

100% spot on.

Posted by trancedfarmer on Apr-19-2004 04:28:

you should make whatever the fuck you want to make. One of my best tracks was made at 128... Originally at 122. Music has no limits, unless you're trying to cater to a particular commercial scene...