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-- never thought I'd say this about music but.... help me!

never thought I'd say this about music but.... help me!

I've been making music for quite some time now in fruity loops but I just thought I'd turn to you guys for a little help.

Reverbs
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For my latest track, there is a specific thing that I want to do with a reverb.

I want to add a reverb to a synth and then extract the reverb only without the original synth.

So far I have only worked out one way to accomplish this in fruity loops. You import the synth into fruity as a mono file so that only one channel is used. Then you add the reverb export the sound file and either the left or right channel will contain only the reverb. Then all you have to do is copy and paste the left into the right replacing the synth note. and presto, you have the reverb by itself. Now this is well and good except that I am a perfectionist and I wont settle for that.
Reverbs are independent, and I can guarantee that If a reverb was extracted by itself the waveform channels wouldn't look identical...

(that is exactly what I want to achieve)


Is their a particular tool that I would need to do something as complicated as this?





Echoes
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I'm sick of using the same old fruity delay for echoes. where can I find a better VST delay? (for free)

In the FL reverb.. if you turn the "reverb %" up to 100.. and the "dry" down to 0 then you should get the desired effect..

happy producing

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Originally posted by alanzo In the FL reverb.. if you turn the "reverb %" up to 100.. and the "dry" down to 0 then you should get the desired effect.. happy producing

No, actually... this person seems to want to do what I'm trying to do with a delay (see my thread 'a question about delays'): get *just* the audio that the plugin adds to the original signal. The wet/dry mix only determines how much the reverb is affecting the roiginal sound.

What I mean is, it's the same as splitting the audio in two streams, sending one un-effected (dry) to the mixer, and one completely effected (wet) to a separate channel in the mixer, and then playing with the levels as you see fit.

That's not, it seems, what this person (or I) wants to do. We want to get only the effect, and none of the original audio.

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Originally posted by skytribe No, actually... this person seems to want to do what I'm trying to do with a delay (see my thread 'a question about delays'): get *just* the audio that the plugin adds to the original signal. The wet/dry mix only determines how much the reverb is affecting the original sound. What I mean is, it's the same as splitting the audio in two streams, sending one un-effected (dry) to the mixer, and one completely effected (wet) to a separate channel in the mixer, and then playing with the levels as you see fit. That's not, it seems, what this person (or I) wants to do. We want to get only the effect, and none of the original audio.

exactly my thoughts, lad.


please if you find out how to do it.... PM me!!!!!

Use this reverb http://www.kjaerhusaudio.com/classic-reverb.php and set mix to 0:2.

thanks man!

many more suggestions welcome

Its real easy to do in a real studio- but have no idea how to do it in fruity loops as i rarely use soft synths/studios.

You need to set up an effects send to your desired reverb from a channel on the desk-
Set the reverb to 100% wet
-you need to send it as a pre fade aux send, and then keep the fader of the synth down, but with the relevant effects send turned up to the desired amount on the synth channel.
You then have the effect return coming back into another channel (or pair if you prefer) and it will not have the original synth in- it will only be the reverb..

Simple as that

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Originally posted by Freak Simple as that

doesnt sound simple

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Originally posted by meneedit doesnt sound simple

i think i understand what he is saying...lemme see if i got this right...


you have to have two channels...

1. one with the synth sound on it
2. one that is a send channel with the effect on it

now...you send the one channel with the reverb to the other as a "pre fade aux" meaning that you want it to effect the synth at a volume level before the actual synth is played...

with the fader turned all the way down on the synth channel you won't actually hear the synth sound, but because you did a pre fade aux on your send channel you can still obtain the reverb that would have taken place at normal volume...

at least that's what i think he said...hopefully that is clear...

Apologies if that wasnt clear- im not up on this virtual stuido stuff-im old skool hardware all the way.

With an aux send you have pre and post fade send available.
Pre fade means it is sent to the aux beofre the fader, meaing the send level is not dependent on the fader position of the sound you are sending, so you can have the synth sound fader all the way down (cutting it from the mix) but if the send is pre fade, it will still be sent to the reverb
Post fade means that if you were to turn the synth fader channel down, the send level will drop in relation to it, as the send level is dependent on the fader level- so to send the synth to the reverb using a post fade send, the synth has to be up in the mix- which is not what you want in this case.

The most important bit is the 100% wet setting on the reverb- which will eliminate any of the original signal. ( wet=effect/dry=source signal)


I think floorfiller understands what im on about.

If i had a console in front of me i could wire it up in about 30 seconds and show you, but forums dont have that luxury.

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