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Metal Detectors in US High Schools?

Hey all

Personally, I think this is a horrible idea because it costs a lot of money, and it really impacts the school environment negatively. However, this weekend, I havta argue FOR them...any ideas?

Thanks in advance!

Phase

Weren't there already metal detectors in some US schools?

Or are you talking about some bill somebodys trying to push though legislation?

Hehe little late, we've had them in some of our schools for the past 3 or so years. A couple schools even have armed guards patrolling the roofs and grounds.

You have to argue for them?

If I were you, I'd refuse because arguing for something that's plainly wrong is lying.

make it sarcastic and say how good it is that the government now can implement the tools to know everything that everyone has in schools. and that it shouldn't stop there.



and metal detectors have been in inner city schools for a long time. It really concentrates on the wrong problem, instead of trying to get weapons out of school that instance, they should find out what is making people bring them to school in the first place and work on those problems.


oohhh, yea I forgot, thats hard to do, so lets just setup intrusive measures that satisfies a few people in government.


I thinik you can argue that it is totally wrong to let people in schools with guns....but even then you can get attacked on the method....


hehe, sucks to be you.

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Originally posted by Arbiter You have to argue for them? If I were you, I'd refuse because arguing for something that's plainly wrong is lying.

No you see, he's part of a debate team in the USA, this is how they train them to become lawyers

If he can't argue for them, he'll never eat!





p.s.
PhaseFour, if you want to aruge for metal detectors in school you want to involve your audience. Here is a great argument for you to use, when they ask you to present your arguments, tell them you have just one argument, and ask them to wait while you look for it in your backpack. Then pull out the gun and point it at them. Its sure fire

yeah, i know its a tough argument, but if i dont take it, i screw the entire event

what i wanted to argue was that these metal dectors probably wont pick off all the guns and everything, but they important part was that there is a PERCEPTION of security on campus, which should theoretically make people feel good and learn more

and i know there are schools with detectors already; i went to a local HS in 5th grade and was scanned.

any more thoughts? thanks alot!

-phase

Eh they don't work, if you want to get things into a school you will. Also weapons can be made out of basically anything, just look at what they make in prison. I can tell you right anyone could kill someone just as easily by stabbing them in the neck with a pencil as they could by popping a round in their head.

I think the schools are just trying to cover their asses to prevent another columbine so if something does happen they can say that they took "precautionary measures" to prevent it.

As someone mentioned the only way to get rid of drugs and guns in schools is solve the reason why kids bring them which I don't forsee happening any time soon.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/guns.htm

http://www.ncdjjdp.org/cpsv/library/statistics.htm
Research^

Don't get sucked into an argument about the Second Ammendment.

recall statistics might cover a broad demograghic but convey them in a way that would apply to your specific school district.

recent trends in you area involving aggravated assult/assault with a deadly weapon, crimes involving minors. Most all crimes involving minors are not only applicable by demonstrating deviant behaviour, but impacts your taget audience specifically.

round all statistics up or down to the second figure to compliment your argument.j/k

not much

I don't get this whole trend of kids bringing guns and other weapons to school. When I went to high school in the late 80's (I know I�m dating myself) no one brought that shit to school. If someone was going to kick your ass, they did it with their fists. So if you wanted to protect yourself or settle a score, you would hit the gym and learn how to fight. After the fight whether you won or lost you would earn everyone's respect. Otherwise you would STFU and take your lumps. Who the hell would ever use a weapon that would be admitting you were a coward and the other guy owned you.

Its the right thing to do...unfortunately its a land of many gun thirsty beings that wished to hold an NRA conference right after the Colorado tragedy...In Denver as well out of all places

NO METAL DETECTORS. people have cell phones, cd players, jewelry all over. piercings etc. at my skool, the administration always wants its dirty hands on our electronics. even when we're not using it, its if they sense its there, they can take it. but mos tof the time, they just tell u to put it up, if they see it.

there hasnt been a skool shooting in a long time anyways.

Metal detectors are not the worst thing to come. Ever heard of "clear lockers" idea? Some guy designed a "prototype" of a locker that has a clear door and angled mirror on top to see what is behind folders. The idea is in middle of approvement and some schools already implemented it.

So much for privacy...

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Originally posted by 3xx3r7 Metal detectors are not the worst thing to come. Ever heard of "clear lockers" idea? Some guy designed a "prototype" of a locker that has a clear door and angled mirror on top to see what is behind folders. The idea is in middle of approvement and some schools already implemented it. So much for privacy...

oh no! now well have to keep our guns or private belongings in the backpacks like normal people AHHH

"the illusion of safety..."

- Tyler Durden

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Originally posted by Yoepus No you see, he's part of a debate team in the USA, this is how they train them to become lawyers If he can't argue for them, he'll never eat!

I know this was meant in a humourous context, but I get the tone in this thread that some people here have trouble digging on the concept of debate.

Debate is *not* about necessarily agreeing with what you're saying (yes, this is the problem with the adversarial criminal justice system, but that's a long side topic) it's simply about seeing the other view, and being able to argue it effectively.

Personally, I think that kind of 'two way' thinking should be mandatory for HS students. I'm not a hard line relativist, but being able to see both (or many) sides on a given issue is always a useful skill, both socially and intellectually.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Hehe little late, we've had them in some of our schools for the past 3 or so years. A couple schools even have armed guards patrolling the roofs and grounds.

seriously?!

Where I went to school, they had metal detectors and if you didn't set it off, they handed you a gun and made you walk through it again.

You guys are behind the times.

Personally I don't see what a big problem is with having metal detectors in schools which are susceptable to violent students. Of course, it doesn't make sense to make metal detectors in nice and quiet neighbourgoods, but it's better to cause many people minor inconveniences than to have a few people loose their lives. Besides, those things can be set up to respond to a varying degree of incoming signal, so that they don't get set off at an earring or a cell phone. The only problem might be if a person is for some reason carrying around some 2kg of iron, but I think that happens only on rare occasions.

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Personally I don't see what a big problem is with having metal detectors in schools which are susceptable to violent students. Of course, it doesn't make sense to make metal detectors in nice and quiet neighbourgoods, but it's better to cause many people minor inconveniences than to have a few people loose their lives. Besides, those things can be set up to respond to a varying degree of incoming signal, so that they don't get set off at an earring or a cell phone. The only problem might be if a person is for some reason carrying around some 2kg of iron, but I think that happens only on rare occasions.

i agree that it would be something that i could easily accept if there was any reason for it. but guards ffs! then there is something REALLY wrong with the society (although *something* seems wrong if you need metal detectors too...)

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