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TYPES OF TRANCE: How to tell the difference

Hey,
I have trouble distinguishing between the types of trance. Here's what I've heard of before:
-Trance
-Progressive Trance
-Epic Trance
-Cyber Trance
-Progressive House
-Dark Trance
-NRG
-Total Horseshit Trance: e.g. ATB, DjJurgen, etc.

How would you describe each sub-genre and what DJs are typical of each? If you have a better/more widely accepted breakdown, let us know.

I'm so lost on this. Sometimes a DJ is called Trance and others call him/her Progressive. WTF does progressive mean? I would call Christopher lawrence Trance but where does that put Oakie. What's Judge Jules? Mars calls himslelf Cybertrance, but i figure he made that up. Is Dark trance analogous to Deep House? NRG is easy. What's Sasha & Digweed?

Please help guys. i know you all are experts in this matter.

THANKS SO MUCH.

Peace.

--Ian

PS I'm listening to Lucien Foort BBC Essential Mix. It's EXCELLENT. I don't know how to describe it, though .

The main types of trance:

Epic: Cosmic Gate-Exploration of Space, Coast 2 Coast-Home, Barthezz-On the Move

Uplifting: Fire & Ice-Souvenir de Chine, Rank 1-Airwave, Tiesto-Urban Train

Hard: Warmduscher, Spacegirl, DJ Scot

Tech: Saccoman-The Recall, Katana-Fancy Fair, Signum-In Progress

Progressive: Sasha, Digweed, Darren Emerson, Max Graham

Tiesto mainly plays Uplifting trax but are sometimes into the progressive style as well.....
Ferry Corsten plays Uplifting trance.......sometimes Tiesto and Ferry creates music together under the name Gouryella....their trax are very uplifting.....check out

Gouryella - Gourella
Gouryella - Tenshi
Gouryella - Walhalla

Don't forget psy-trance and Goa, my two favourite types. Although to be honest they are proper underground.

excite, thanks for the examples but WHAT makes those tracks fit into those categories. what are the mechanical or musical differences is what i wanna know. if you can help me out with that i would be grateful.

lost

Yo,
I found this on Google:
http://www.ishkur.com/features/music/guide.htm

It pretty much answers our questions! The guy cracks me up too, but he's a bit of an elitist.

--ian

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Originally posted by Excite The main types of trance: Hard: Warmduscher, Spacegirl, DJ Scot

SpaceGirl Plays Hard Acid trance, theres a differce.

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Originally posted by Ian Maury Yo, I found this on Google: http://www.ishkur.com/features/music/guide.htm It pretty much answers our questions! The guy cracks me up to, but he's a bit of an elitist. --ian

Hmmm yeahthis is a cool prog but he is wrong in many ways......for expample he states that Binary Finary is progressive and thats FARfrom right....he also says in the info that progressive trance shouldnt be called trance cause it so "poppy".........
He states that the person that created epic tranceshould be shot...
And he never ebven mentions Uplifting trance which is a big part of the trance genres....... I dont like that

yeah i've been to that site b4, not very good if ur into trance, its just a person's opinion about different types of electronic music....
doesnt really describe the different kinds of trance

Uplifting trance:
Emotional trance with a steady beat. Uplifting trance brings you harmony. Elements that are often used,
Strings
Synths (melodies)
Base drums
+ Other harmonic sounds....

Uplifting trax:

Gouryella - Gourella
Binary finary - 1998
DJ Tiesto - UrbanTrain
JanJohnston - Flesh (tiesto mix)

Hopes this will help you a bit

im not good with the names but my fave kind is the stuff that goes somewhere..if u like progresses..and goes mental at 1 point.
eg. lightforce-join me
faithless-insomnia
veracocha-carte blanche....u no what i mean?!
i think its either epic trance or progressive?!i dunno.

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Originally posted by Ian Maury http://www.ishkur.com/features/music/guide.htm It pretty much answers our questions!

That site is the most absurd ive seen in me life.
you can tell straight away that he doesnt know his arse from his face when it comes to music.

dont follow that guide.
PvT

well then can someone make a TA guide for the uninformed such as myself. people always ask me what i spin and i usually say good music. and then they say no seriously. and i give them the generic answer of trance with some house and progressive. and then they say no seriously. and then i smile and walk away. it would be helpful for me if someone in the TA boards would take a shot at breakin it down but then maybe no one is trying cuz no one really knows. all i know is that i'm down with dj martijn's style although i have been getting into tribal lately.

lost

Here is the way I see it:
There are really only a few main types of trance. Most of the examples you gave are just generic subgenres and were just made up by someone to describe a certain song.
"Vocal trance". What is it? Pretty self explanitory.. a trance song with words. If a dj plays "vocal trance" he simple likes to play songs with words.
I think the main question here is the difference between progressive and uplifting/euro/epic/club (basically all the same thing) trance. Euro-trance has two common elements.. build up and a climax and then usually a denoument (sp?). It may have either one or two climaxes but never 3. This is why it is uplifting - it builds and builds and then explodes. Progressive, on the other hand, has no traditional build up to a climax. It is much more like techno. It usually has the same types of simple samples and complex rhythms and beats. While euro-trance has simple beats and more of a concentration on melody. It could easily be confused with techno. However it is more progressive than techno. It starts off simple and then adds with more samples as time moves on. Which is why it is called progressive.

"PSYcadelic trance" or "goa" (usually grouped together but they are different) are a totally different sound from most trance. It is much faster and the baseline is much heavier. It is more warped, twisted and enchanting and it plays with your head.

I don't know much about house so I won't try and explain that.

Hope this helps

THANK GOD!

i'm so glad some1 finally asked this question! i mean it is getting ridicilous... what's what????
so here is my question: is progressive house trance?????(the statement is a contradiction in itself!)
and can someone delve into more detail about house...or at least give a good website cuz that guy ishkur sounds like a snob...

thanx...

I think that Trance gets broken up into many different subgenres because there is so much variety in Trance music. I mean, if you listen to most other genres, the music is fairly similar (in prevalence of instruments, beat, etc). But in trance, since so many different sounds can be created electronically, the music tends to vary as much as Metal and Country do.

So...I think it is a good idea to categorize the different types of trance. Especially so that we may eliminate the 'Total Horshit Trance' from tarnishing trance.

This isn't to say that I want DJs to stick to one style. In fact, I prefer to hear a set that samples from a range of different styles.

--Ian

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Originally posted by Dj Martijn im not good with the names but my fave kind is the stuff that goes somewhere..if u like progresses..and goes mental at 1 point. eg. lightforce-join me faithless-insomnia veracocha-carte blanche....u no what i mean?! i think its either epic trance or progressive?!i dunno.

Your quite far out here.....
Veracocha is one of the most uplifting trax you can get....and lightforce to...... as discojoe nicely explained before....uplifting
trance builds up to a climax and then explodes....Veracocha must be one of the nicest examples of that

heres my opinion on the matter...

Uplifting trance - has a mellow steady bass line...nothing to hard. Then high pitched mellow synths kick in, maybe violin or something. Also a womans angelic voice can be found. It breaks down to near silence then builds up with those synths and no bass. Bass drops back in. Try anything Gouryella...PVD...Rank 1. kamaya painters

Progressive Trance - Same steady synths as above. But this time a bit more of a hard pounding bass line to it. A bit faster than uplifting/emo. Probably around 140 bpm or so. This will also break down to near silence, but never really gets to the point of pure synths hands in the air head back eyes close breathing in the music feel. Try Push is a pretty good example.

Goa/ Psy trance - Obvious

House - None of those synths (more of a filler sound of synths than anything)...a down and dirty sick bassline that carries you all the way through the track. This gets your body pounding...not flowing. Not that much knowledge of example here but try stuff Carl Cox spun

Tek-House - (My fav) Has the same kind of house beat in it. Some nice gritty techno cuts not too much though. A minimalist approach if you will. Drop in some synths an certain moments and only for brief periods of time. These never really stick through the song. In my mind Picotto's productions are tek-house...as with alot of BXR. Virtua Trancer also fits here i think.

Progressive House - NOT TRANCE! This is like Darude. Slamming beats all the way through with a thick as fog, dirty bass line. Bumps at like 142 bpm. There is nothing mellow about this. If there are synths in this (most of the time there are) its hard hitting synths almost to the sound of tech...but not quite.

Garage - This one is easy...imagine you are playing music with stuff you find in your garage. Presto.

Tribal- Self Explainatory.

Now this is what ive picked up from spinning and what people say. When knowlegdeable people like other djs ask what i spin i use the above but when any joe schmoe asks i just say trance. Anyways, the music is what you make it. Christ garage can be uplifting if you want it to be. Hope this helps.
Meta

Hmmm yeah....but i woulndt call Push progressive....i think puch is kidna hard-uplifting.....and i woulndt call darude Progressive-house...cause shouldnt taht mean that darude is a combination ofprogressive and house? I would say its Uplifting..... a cheesy one...cause it has it all....the melody the harmony...the silence in the middle...and then the break!

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Originally posted by mindshooter Hmmm yeah....but i woulndt call Push progressive....i think puch is kidna hard-uplifting.....and i woulndt call darude Progressive-house...cause shouldnt taht mean that darude is a combination ofprogressive and house? I would say its Uplifting..... a cheesy one...cause it has it all....the melody the harmony...the silence in the middle...and then the break!

But by the definition i used Push being hard uplifting makes it progressive...as for darude it doesnt have the synths only breakdown and when it does its still a hard hitting breakdown...also it moves fast and has too hard of a beat to be uplifting....

This is an example for why trance shouldnt be broken into groups like it is...no one has the same opinions about what somehting should be. Like i said everyone has their own taste and definition. You choose wha it is (I realize that i am being hypocritical by saying that as i just yelled at someone for having their own opinion.)

*Slaps his own wrists and walks to the corner with his head down to think about what he did*

Meta

Yeah your right...trance is all about opinions.........but i dont know how hard-uplifting can be progressive....cause they have differemnt bildups.....i really dont like progressive...still i love push.... And i dont know really what you mean with darude....what does everybody else thinks? Is Darude cheesy-uplifting or proggressive house?

This is not a flame

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Originally posted by mindshooter Your quite far out here..... Veracocha is one of the most uplifting trax you can get....and lightforce to...... as discojoe nicely explained before....uplifting trance builds up to a climax and then explodes....Veracocha must be one of the nicest examples of that

ah thats the 1..can some 1 not give me some really good classic examples of uplinfting?or a site where i can get some from..imo uplifting is the best kinda trance by far

Hello

First let me than you all for these explanation ... I only knew about uplifting trance since it's the kind of trance I like the most ... There's still a little thing that may require further explanation for me : epic trance ... I don't think any post explains what it is, or maybe I missed it ?

Thanx
Lapinou

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Originally posted by Dj Martijn ah thats the 1..can some 1 not give me some really good classic examples of uplinfting?or a site where i can get some from..imo uplifting is the best kinda trance by far

Uplifting Classix:


Airscape - L�speranza
Art of trance - Breathe
Apoptygma berzerk - KathysSong (F.Corsten mix)
Delirium - Silence (DJ Tiesto mix)
DJ Tiesto - Sparkles (Transa Remix)
Fire & Ice - LostEmotions2001
Fire & Ice - Souvenir de chine (from now on )
Gouryella - Gourella
Gouryella - Walhalla
Gouryella - Tenshi
Jan Johnston - Flesh (Tiesto mix)
Lost tribe - Gamemaster
Moogwai - Viola (Armin Van Buuren Remix)
Rank 1 - Airwave
Solar stone - Seven cities (Solar stone's atlantis mix)
Veracocha - Carte blance


You can always DL my track of the week to
Its always a nice uplifting one.... just search AG for it...

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Originally posted by mindshooter Uplifting Classix: Airscape - L�speranza Art of trance - Breathe Apoptygma berzerk - KathysSong (F.Corsten mix) Delirium - Silence (DJ Tiesto mix) DJ Tiesto - Sparkles (Transa Remix) Fire & Ice - LostEmotions2001 Fire & Ice - Souvenir de chine (from now on ) Gouryella - Gourella Gouryella - Walhalla Gouryella - Tenshi Jan Johnston - Flesh (Tiesto mix) Lost tribe - Gamemaster Moogwai - Viola (Armin Van Buuren Remix) Rank 1 - Airwave Solar stone - Seven cities (Solar stone's atlantis mix) Veracocha - Carte blance You can always DL my track of the week to Its always a nice uplifting one.... just search AG for it...

mindhooter U R THE MAN!!!!!!!ive been askin 4 some upliftin trax before but no1 has given me anythanks alot m8.....*off 2 ag*

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