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looking for resources on dance percussion

i can slap together drum loops with hats, kicks, snares, crashes what have you, but I need some quality advice on both arrangement and the atmospheres people add to their percussion.

i have noticed a lot of trance and dance tunes in general have little 3 or 4 note loops after every 2 or 4 bars of drums, but my attempts to recreate that sort of thing have ended up a bit shocking.

any help please?

small tip:
listen to a track with kick ass percs and try to recreate it
layer your kicks with a high low and mid freq then compress
layer your percs like crazy (experiment)
eq everything
do a search for past posts

If you know how to work compression (and I mean to the point where compression is your bitch) that will help out loads.

I feel the same way.. about the whole percussion thing...

In all these tracks i am hearing the percussion , hi hats and extra samplings just sounds so tight.. It carries the whole track in a great way. and i never really figured out how it was really done. sorry for any errors i am little overworked

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Originally posted by Biatchzxz I feel the same way.. about the whole percussion thing... In all these tracks i am hearing the percussion , hi hats and extra samplings just sounds so tight.. It carries the whole track in a great way. and i never really figured out how it was really done. sorry for any errors i am little overworked

see this topic http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ight=percussion

But be warned allot of bassdrum samples which you find on internet/cd have already been compressed.

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Originally posted by SOLTRI layer your percs like crazy (experiment)

This is the most important part of them all.

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Originally posted by Tranc3 If you know how to work compression (and I mean to the point where compression is your bitch) that will help out loads.

This is the second most important of them all

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Originally posted by kewlness This is the second most important of them all

Dunno, I never needed to compress any percs. Apart from the bass drum.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Dunno, I never needed to compress any percs. Apart from the bass drum.

what about the claps ? or snare drum ?
I always compress them, an original clap sample just sounds too weird

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Originally posted by Sonicstyle what about the claps ? or snare drum ? I always compress them, an original clap sample just sounds too weird

Like I said...

First of all, bass drums definately need compression

As for the rest of the percs, I think they are not absolutely necessary but compression may make the percussion seem more "in-your-face"

But unless you know what you are doing, it is not a good idea to just compress "because i heard you should compress everything"

can anyone post some screen shots or .flps or reason files of layered percussion? im not getting it.

Also, I find it extremely useful to create a couple simple percussion loops to work with at first (i usually leave bass drum out)...

Then I take those loops, i layer them together, put different filters on them, add some other samples and hats and other percussions to create more and more fuller percussion...

Keep repeating that over and over to get different fuller sounding loops...

Also, I find that following the standard kick hi hat clap hi hat formula is not a good idea for good percs...

Experiment with different genres of percussion... make them at trance BPM and you get some interesting percussion... and layer, filter, rinse, repeat.. etc...

Basically... percussion I find is an often neglected part for a lot of producers...

It is always more interesting to play around with a synth and create melodies than busting your ass and trying to get a decent percussion but failing..

Just take the advice I gave above... keep layering... add more.. layer.. loop.. filter.. etc...

Perc Example 1
Perc Example 2
Perc Example 3
Perc Example 4
Perc Example 5
Perc Example 6
Perc Example 7

Ok... here is an audio example of what I explained above... Number 1 to Number 6 are various loops that I made or layered with other loops (not too impressive by themselves)...

Now putting them all together forms example 7 (I added a kick)... I filtered each different percussion loop to each give them their own space in the mix... added some stereo seperation... and voila.. you have a full sounding percussion...

sounds a lil messy to me..

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Originally posted by Biatchzxz sounds a lil messy to me..

yeah, it sounds a little too busy to me

that was a bit of an exagerated example.. but the moral of the story:

more layers = fuller sounding

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