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What is up with the latest trance stuff ?
I've been waiting a few months to finally post this.
I've been trying to give it the benefit of the doubt but I gotta say enough is enough! IS IT ME OR DOES ALL THE LATEST TRANCE STUFF ALL SOUND THE SAME?
the mark norman's, octagen, nu nrg, and I don't know the other names but whatever names they call themselves, it's all the same stuff!
first of all, you can tell alot of these new producers use software to make these un-original tunes. The sound quality is flat and has no meat on the bottom end.
secondly, they all try to be wannabe ferry corstens of the past only difference bein that there is no originality. alot of the newer dudes use a very generic bassline, very generic hi hat, very generic synth, very generic everything! Even the main synth lead is almost identical, man if that wasn't identical it would be the same exact tune! It's as if they all share the same tracks!
Before, trance producers would shape and mold their own tracks. Each stab, each hi hat, the basslines, the synth, the leads, etc; indivudually they had a custom sound to it. Now you can tell they have been picked from some music making software that dozens have access to.
when once 80 percent of my tunes consisted of trance, now 90 percent of it consist of house and maybe 10 percent of it trance.
what is goin on? do I have to get into producing just so I can enjoy some decent trance again? 
(open for criticizm)
Here we go again... bunch of people have post threads like this.
Well, I`m one of many people that agree that trance 2004 is not so good like other years, Nu-nrg this year is not so good with remixes but Mark norman is definitively owning us...
Phantom Manor, Rush and other remixes like Love comes again.
Listen to these and learn.
you havn't hear yet?? trance is dead...
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| IS IT ME OR DOES ALL THE LATEST TRANCE STUFF ALL SOUND THE SAME? |
It's a conspiracy. You heard it from me first.
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| Originally posted by sandstorm03 you havn't hear yet?? trance is dead... |
I must say i'm not a fan of trance any more.
some of the progressive stuff the likes of chable produce is good and i do buy it, but i was really shocked at how bad the stuff AVB was playing in his essential mix was.it was terrible.
the days of binary finary seem like a life time ago.
listen to techno it's much better
Yeah, I started noticing how trance a year ago started to slow down, then this year it got really bad...I haven't heard a standout trance track since Sublime, and that was quite a while ago.
I don't think trance is dead...it's just harder and harder to find good tracks.
yes I agree with the most of you. Trance has been goin down hill fast in the year, or possibly even over a year.
It's as if all these new trance producers use the same "How To Make A Trance Tune" all in one kit!
if you look at the big picture as to who's behind all the different tracks, it's the younger "teeny bopper" type that is focusing in on this genre "trance". Alot of the older more mature dudes that more capable of "creativity" are doin the different stuff such as techno, electro, house, etc... or it's a blend of different genre's.
lol i was joking u turds
Well, some original thoughts going on today.
a few years back, trance had producers such as tandu, fridge, gizeh, and of course corsten, Mike diericx, original bonzai crew, etc. These guys had their own style and you can tell who was the producer / remixer just by listening to the intro beats.
these guys carefully "shaped" and molded" each track of each tune. You can hear the extra care and effort in every tune they put together.
these days, it's just quick generic "slap together" stuff, very "assembly line" stuff. Really sad to see where this genre is goiing.
i think its funny when people use examples of tunes as what trance should sound like and i think its the exact type of tune that is hurting it...
and let me also add.......
I am still waiting on a good decent MIKE production, not to mention a good Airwave production.
alot of their latest stuff is just 
hrm.... actually. producers now may use similar synths etc..... but the sound is SO much fuller, thicker, more complex, intricate, loaded with effects. they add more variation to the percussion now, and simply put the tracks nowadays dont sound simple. honestly, you need to compare a good track from 1999 and one from 2004, you'll notice production quality is changed drastically. for example, take binary finary - 1999, and then listen to one of elevation's tracks such as meridian, or maybe one of filo & peri's or endre's tracks. they're music is not just a screaming synth w/ a catchy lead. the amount of production work they put into the tracks now is simply amazing. so plz..... stfu.
i havent heard much, but thats because what i have heard i didnt like, and havent bothered downloading much else. I agree, the first half of 2003 was crazy for tunes, and then it started to drop off by the end of 2003.
I think the older producers are trying different stuff, like more prog and house. more power to them for going their own route, but i just wish we had more quality tunes to listen to
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| Originally posted by djVersus and let me also add....... I am still waiting on a good decent MIKE production, not to mention a good Airwave production. alot of their latest stuff is just |
your point?
personally, I thought electric eclips sucked big time. Compare that sh*t to "legacy", "strange world"?
no comparison
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| Originally posted by TOR out now: Push - Electric Eclipse (the album) coming up: Yamasaki - In My Mind (= L-Vee + Vincent Kriek) |
yep
O.K., well I'll restate what I had said earlier. I think it's probably due to the fact that there's more and more sample CDs out there.
Although once I thought about it, I realized that more sample CDs would only make for more varied trance. I mean you spoke of the old producers moulding every aspect of the sound, making it soun unique, but the reality is that 90-95% of the oldschool tracks use a Roland X0X for the percussion, but nowadays we have different drum machines and better samplers. It used to be that the synths and effects were rather limited, but nowadays there's so many you can literally spend weeks going through all the stuff and not even scratch the surface. Basslines have become more imaginative - after all, the typical bassline used to be syncopated in regards to the kick drum, but more and more producers are straying away from that.
The use of software synthesizers does not in itself make for a flat sound. If that's what you believe then you either don't produce or aren't very talented at it.
I agree that the new sounds have lost the feel of the old sounds, but I think you're laying blame in all the wrong places. I think too many people are expecting producers to come up with the old-style sounds, when those sounds are, for the most part, outdated nowadays. Why do you think producers make remakes of their classics? They've got better technology now and want to refine their original idea with it. I believe part of the reason that people think trance nowadays is dying, sounds the same, etc... is because they have memories of the first few compositions they heard, and it was mindblowing. Not necessarily because it was unbelievably good (although there are old tracks that still are unbelievably good), but because it was the first thing you listened to. Of course the first time it was great - you had never heard it before and it was a new world to you, besides which, it conjured thoughts and/or feelings that hadn't been conjured within you before with other music. I'm generalizing, but that's the general experience of any trance lover. I think we have to accept the fact that trance has become a drug of sorts, and we probably aren't ever going to feel that initial high - not because of a lack of quality, but because of a desensitization to it all.
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| Originally posted by Floorfiller i think its funny when people use examples of tunes as what trance should sound like and i think its the exact type of tune that is hurting it... |
twance
My 2 cents, I think there has been a decline in trance lately, i was lookin thru my older sets and hav confirmed '02, even '01 maybe, was the year(s) of trance w/ corsten trance energy 2002, pvd - rosenmontag and mayday 2002, dumonde - rpr maximal 2002. but personally i think this has slightly spread into prog house as i miss stuff that i heard in deep dish sets from 2002 n 2003,and we havnt seen many sets from sasha or digweed this year when only two years ago they dropped their WMC i think it was, which was named essential mix on radio 1. Also, stuff tenaglia was playin was tite, but i dont hav my ear pressed up against all aspects of the scene so i could be missin stuff. But as a defense, i still hear a lotta quality tracks comin out, and the production level is dramatically rising, so many diff sounds n fuller, deeper sounds, jus mebbe since everyone is puttin out better trax, ppl expecting to hear that next "silence" or "words" track and that is getting harder and harder to do. Overall, it aint as good as sum of '03 and b4, but good stuff still being put out, i think a lotta good stuff will resurface again, like its jus a phase where not so many good songs, then a bunch of em, but corsten i think has been on a streak lately churnin out hits, but no seminal sets like those i listed iv heard as of late. Props to producers like benz, dekay, powerplant, n the younger prog house producers that r makin all the trax now, but im not feelin that at all. Quality is good, and it seems they really did put time n effort into their work and respect to them, but i miss stuff like planet funk - inside all the people (deep dish fish mix), being a trance forum, i miss trax like second sun empire pvd mix n corsten's cry dotnl mix, but G+D holdin it down for both genres and though not a big fan of taurine, i think a mix of it would show aalto is on a good path, and like i said, corsten is tite.
LAAAAAATE n thanx fer readin my irrelevant thoughts haha
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| Originally posted by Tranc3 O.K., well I'll restate what I had said earlier. I think it's probably due to the fact that there's more and more sample CDs out there. Although once I thought about it, I realized that more sample CDs would only make for more varied trance. I mean you spoke of the old producers moulding every aspect of the sound, making it soun unique, but the reality is that 90-95% of the oldschool tracks use a Roland X0X for the percussion, but nowadays we have different drum machines and better samplers. It used to be that the synths and effects were rather limited, but nowadays there's so many you can literally spend weeks going through all the stuff and not even scratch the surface. Basslines have become more imaginative - after all, the typical bassline used to be syncopated in regards to the kick drum, but more and more producers are straying away from that. The use of software synthesizers does not in itself make for a flat sound. If that's what you believe then you either don't produce or aren't very talented at it. I agree that the new sounds have lost the feel of the old sounds, but I think you're laying blame in all the wrong places. I think too many people are expecting producers to come up with the old-style sounds, when those sounds are, for the most part, outdated nowadays. Why do you think producers make remakes of their classics? They've got better technology now and want to refine their original idea with it. I believe part of the reason that people think trance nowadays is dying, sounds the same, etc... is because they have memories of the first few compositions they heard, and it was mindblowing. Not necessarily because it was unbelievably good (although there are old tracks that still are unbelievably good), but because it was the first thing you listened to. Of course the first time it was great - you had never heard it before and it was a new world to you, besides which, it conjured thoughts and/or feelings that hadn't been conjured within you before with other music. I'm generalizing, but that's the general experience of any trance lover. I think we have to accept the fact that trance has become a drug of sorts, and we probably aren't ever going to feel that initial high - not because of a lack of quality, but because of a desensitization to it all. |
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| Originally posted by Tranc3 I believe part of the reason that people think trance nowadays is dying, sounds the same, etc... is because they have memories of the first few compositions they heard, and it was mindblowing. Not necessarily because it was unbelievably good (although there are old tracks that still are unbelievably good), but because it was the first thing you listened to. Of course the first time it was great - you had never heard it before and it was a new world to you, besides which, it conjured thoughts and/or feelings that hadn't been conjured within you before with other music. I'm generalizing, but that's the general experience of any trance lover. I think we have to accept the fact that trance has become a drug of sorts, and we probably aren't ever going to feel that initial high - not because of a lack of quality, but because of a desensitization to it all. |
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| Originally posted by Tranc3 Of course the first time it was great - you had never heard it before and it was a new world to you, besides which, it conjured thoughts and/or feelings that hadn't been conjured within you before with other music. |
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