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How to make tracks 'fuller' or more pro

Hi i made a track in fruity but it doesnt seem to have the professional quality. Ive used the fruity: flanger, filter, reverb, phaser and those are nice but the track quality doesnt sound like what artists make. Is there a way to make tracks fuller?

Thanks a lot.

Also, is there a way to know how long (time) a track is in fruity without having to output to mp3?

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=175553

cool thanks, didnt know it was called mastering hence why there is a big sicky up top

Yeah, in the indicator in the top menubar. Click on it to change how it's displaying where you are in the song. Or just pick 'export to wav,' and it'll tell you in the options dialog.

Well i wouldn't say that mastering is what you need to make a track sound fuller. Something tends to be empty sounding because it is missing elements. If there is no bassline, then a track will sound empty, if there is a general lack of percussion or synths, it may sound empty. I believe that getting the full sound is a matter of filling up the frequency spectrum without obviously having too much because you then get muddiness.

If you could post a sample of your track, then I'm sure we would be able to determine what it is missing.

Adding a bunch of atmospheric effects like reverbed reverses, whooshes and synth stabs can often fill up a lot of empty space. Listen to some Steve Porter tunes to get a better idea of what I'm talking about.

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Originally posted by Sean Walsh Adding a bunch of atmospheric effects like reverbed reverses, whooshes and synth stabs can often fill up a lot of empty space. Listen to some Steve Porter tunes to get a better idea of what I'm talking about.

Yeah ok cool. I love stuff by steve porter and matthew dekay. What do you mean by reverbed reverses?

Ive added different percussion stuff from the wav samples ive gathered. Im running about 49 of those horizontal lines in fruity and about 53 samples.


anyways here is my track: http://members.shaw.ca/urbantrain/

any comments to help me improve it would be greatly appreciated

layering synths and pads also helps

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Originally posted by Dmatrox Yeah ok cool. I love stuff by steve porter and matthew dekay. What do you mean by reverbed reverses? any comments to help me improve it would be greatly appreciated

Take any sharp stab like sample, reverse it and add some reverb. You can often get some pretty good effects that way.

Your tune is sounding pretty nice, very chilled. The biggest thing it's lacking is percussive layers right now. You have a lot of cool sounds in it, you just need to back them up with some richer percussion sounds. Listen to the intro and outro of most steve porter tunes and try to dissect all the different percussive elements in them; if you can achieve half of what he's got going on then you'll be on the right track, hehe. The kick on this tune could use a little beefing up too, but otherwise quite cool.

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Originally posted by Sean Walsh Take any sharp stab like sample, reverse it and add some reverb. You can often get some pretty good effects that way. Your tune is sounding pretty nice, very chilled. The biggest thing it's lacking is percussive layers right now. You have a lot of cool sounds in it, you just need to back them up with some richer percussion sounds. Listen to the intro and outro of most steve porter tunes and try to dissect all the different percussive elements in them; if you can achieve half of what he's got going on then you'll be on the right track, hehe. The kick on this tune could use a little beefing up too, but otherwise quite cool.

cool thanks. Ill put some more percussive elements with reverb effects and try other effects too. I take a closer listen to steve's stuff too. thanks

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layering synths and pads also helps

what do you mean? like using them as atmosphere or little melodic phrases put in? Im having problems with note/melody crashes (is that the word?)

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Originally posted by Dmatrox what do you mean? like using them as atmosphere or little melodic phrases put in? Im having problems with note/melody crashes (is that the word?)

Layering is just as it sounds: Laying sounds on top of each other. Kinda like how chords are just layered notes, layering multiple sounds on top of one another will create for a broader frequency spectrum that you can hear.

this ones easy but it gets me every time,

in reason, hit the "fuller" button on the transport pannel

in fruity, edit/make fuller

in cubase, i think its somewhere in the menu(i dont know cus i dont use cubase) but its something like "convert track to professional quallity"

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Originally posted by Bondor in fruity, edit/make fuller

doh, its not there. Maybe it was recently implemented as a new feature for FL studio?

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Layering is just as it sounds: Laying sounds on top of each other. Kinda like how chords are just layered notes, layering multiple sounds on top of one another will create for a broader frequency spectrum that you can hear.

Okay. gotcha

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Originally posted by Dmatrox doh, its not there. Maybe it was recently implemented as a new feature for FL studio?

Dude, it was a joke...

And, now that I've listened to it...

Nice ideas. Nice and chunky sounding.

But the track pretty much goes nowhere. Nothing much happens. Even in a chillout track, you kind of expect some sort of progression from one musical phrase to another. There's some flow to this piece, yes, but nothing happens.

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Originally posted by skytribe But the track pretty much goes nowhere. Nothing much happens. Even in a chillout track, you kind of expect some sort of progression from one musical phrase to another. There's some flow to this piece, yes, but nothing happens.

Yeah i know what you mean i was thinking about that and i really dont know what to do. Any suggestions? do you think more layering or something?

y'know what?.... alot of ppl must overlook it, but there's a "fat mode" in each channel of FL...i think it's under the "misc" tab er something.

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Originally posted by SgtFoo y'know what?.... alot of ppl must overlook it, but there's a "fat mode" in each channel of FL...i think it's under the "misc" tab er something.

Yeah. I don't personally much like it. It's part of the 'echo' function under the 'func' tab.

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Originally posted by Dmatrox Yeah i know what you mean i was thinking about that and i really dont know what to do. Any suggestions? do you think more layering or something?

No... layering just makes something sound more full. What you need is progression. In music, this can be done in about a thousand different ways. One of the more common is to intentionally use chords and melody structures that don't resolve (basically, the ones that sound okay, but not quite 'right', if that makes sense? It's been eons since I paid attention in any theory class), and then resolve them before moving on.

Listen to some of the tracks off the first Tranceport album. To my mind, they are some of the greatest every written, especially in terms of progression (appropriate, as they're progressive trance, eh?)

Listen to how each musical phrase flows smoothly from one to the next, to the next, to the next. That should help give you some ideas.

Don't you have a menu MIDI -> OPTIONS -> MORE PRO & FULLER??

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Originally posted by Sebraa Don't you have a menu MIDI -> OPTIONS -> MORE PRO & FULLER??

LOL

I just found a new button: GENERATE->FULL NEW PRO TRACK MAKING ME BIG.



Anyways. Don't forget to give every instrument a place on the frequency spectrum with the Equaliser, and don't forget to give every instrument (except kick/bass) a place in the room with the stereo enhancer.

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