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Posted by George Smiley on May-10-2004 22:12:

Evil1 131 more houses destroyed by Israel in 10 days

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.a...5&Cr=UNRWA&Cr1=

That bloody better for ya?!?!?!


Posted by Palestinian on May-10-2004 22:19:

Evil1

And this is only in Gaza. The West Bank has seen demonstrators against the Apartheid Wall being shot at and a little boy used as a human shield by Israeli soldiers.


Posted by imokruok on May-10-2004 22:34:

1,100 Palestinians without homes...hmmm. That means it will be a lot easier for them to move back to Jordan.


Posted by Izzy on May-10-2004 23:11:

George, since you made such a hard effort in reporting an exquistiley detailed and accurate report, i shall grace you with my humble opinions.

I feel that house demolishing in most cases is a nessacry evil. However, I am not going to stand behind the military during each case as undoubtly there have probably been many injustices. This is obviously a very contrivorsiouly policy and indeed sometimes hard to defend.

The way i look at it is that despite this being a "low intensity conflict", in all intensive purposes this is basicly war. Terrorist groups have declared for the destruction of israel and many other 'rebels' have taken to military targets. The IDF's purpose and mission statement is to defend the nation of israel. During times of war the bases out of which the enemy operates is more often then not attacked. hence Israel attacking homes / shelters of palestinian militia men and terrorist. This is akin to any army going after 'barracks' (living quarters of soldiers), ammo depots (storage facilites), or other admin buildings (such as intel or other shelter).

the whole 'illegal' arguement really has no official grounds as there has been no official court to decide on it. it's just a loaded term with no real roots. I do believe the israeli supreme court has ruled on it's legality (although im sure many of you may say its baised). and i have heard of appeal cases being brought before the court on certain demolished homes


Posted by Yoepus on May-10-2004 23:26:

maybe we should demolish the UN headquarters in Gaza to get them the hell out of there. It worked for the Iraqis.


Posted by icyhandofcrap on May-10-2004 23:38:

wait a minute.. repost!


Posted by Yoepus on May-10-2004 23:52:

quote:
Originally posted by icyhandofcrap
wait a minute.. repost!


nah surf_pee is the repost. Georgey has seniority!


Posted by icyhandofcrap on May-11-2004 00:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
nah surf_pee is the repost. Georgey has seniority!


works for me


Posted by sufee_b on May-11-2004 03:12:

Down, Down Israel


Posted by surferfb on May-11-2004 03:23:

quote:
Originally posted by imokruok
1,100 Palestinians without homes...hmmm. That means it will be a lot easier for them to move back to Jordan.


Actually the Palestinians were there long before the state of Israel was.


Posted by Cyrus King on May-11-2004 04:11:

quote:
Originally posted by imokruok
1,100 Palestinians without homes...hmmm. That means it will be a lot easier for them to move back to Jordan.


When the arabs outnumber the Jews this century in their own country, it will be easier for them to also go back to their second homes (russia, eastern europe, morroco, Somolia etc..)


you get the picture


Posted by Palestinian on May-11-2004 08:32:

Smoking ..umm..something House Demolitions

The Israeli military has been demolishing homes for decades ever since 1967 and way before the Palestinians began to resist. The Israeli military uses home demolitions now to impose collective punishment. Most of these homes are not "harboring terrorists" but are harboring regular people trying to get by with their occupied lives. Of course, when the military tanks and bulldozers approach the homes, the families will come out to defend themselves, to resist. Home demolitions are also used to make way for Israeli settlements or colonies, which upon completion become heavily guarded by the military and settlers armed. Uprooting trees and plowing farm land and orchards is also happening all the time in the occupied land. These attacks are also being used to build the Apartheid Wall in the West Bank.


"Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or personal property belonging individually or collectively to private persons, or to the State, or to other public authorities, or to social or co-operative organizations, is prohibited, except where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by military operations." (Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 53).

Of course, you believe the destruction is 'absolutely necessary' but how can the destruction of all these homes be necessary? How can anyone see it necessary to make 1100 people homeless in ten days? Thousands have been made homeless for so-called security reasons.

Home demolitions have also been used for settlement expansion. Expansion takes place after expulsion. Kicking people out of their homes. Dispossession. The typical Palestinian claim of being "kicked out of our homes" since the 18th century hasn't changed. Zionism is still at work and hasn't changed one bit except that it must hide behind the pretense of 'security' to avoid international condemnation and action.

"It is prohibited to attack, destroy, remove or render useless objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population, such as foodstuffs, agricultural areas for the production of foodstuffs, crops, livestock, drinking water installations and supplies and irrigation works, ...whatever the motive, whether in order to starve out civilians, to cause them to move away, or for any other motive." (Protocol I of the Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 54).

"No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.

Pillage is prohibited.

Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited." (Fourth Geneva Convention, Article 33).


Posted by blitz~ on May-11-2004 09:40:

and whenever someone complains the israelis always start some gay "anti-semitism" arguement, i could care less what religion someone is but what the israelis do in palestina is just crime after crime.


Posted by Nautilus on May-11-2004 11:19:

There's a hell of a problem in the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean.

It's tacitly known the Arabs want the destruction of the Israeli state, but lack the military force to accomplish this feat. The only real weapon the Palestinians have that can accomplish this is the eventual overtaking of the Jewish population in this area by their own, which I�ve heard should take place within a generation�s time. Once this is done the Palestinians can change their ethnic-national struggle to a struggle of equal human suffrage. Once that happens the romantic hopes the Jews have of keeping their Israel a Jewish state will be thrown out the window. The bad thing is that the Palestinian Authority knows this and has made idle promises to crackdown on terrorism in its effort to slow down the peace process and destroy the Israeli hope of cementing its territorial future.

The Jews know to well that this is the truth and have been more earnestly and aggressively separating themselves physically from the Arabs and considering unilaterally declaring their own state. So, while time still remains their ally they are speeding up the demolition of Palestinian settlements and creating a divisive infrastructure (ie: the �Apartheid Wall�).

From my view neither party in this real life drama is the innocent. They know exactly what the other is doing or intends to do and as a result leads to the suicide bombings and forceful displacements we read or hear about everyday.

There seems to be no solution to this conflict and, short of waking up tomorrow with no religion in existence, I don�t see one.


Posted by Yoepus on May-11-2004 14:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Nautilus
There seems to be no solution to this conflict and, short of waking up tomorrow with no religion in existence, I don�t see one.


Religion is not the cause or reason for this conflict. Its absence will not solve the conflict.


Posted by Nautilus on May-11-2004 21:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
Religion is not the cause or reason for this conflict. Its absence will not solve the conflict.


Well we'll never know since religion won't disappear anytime soon, but you can't deny religion has been used in the past as a justification to commit gruesome acts of violence and terror against others of a different belief.


Posted by Ondrayce on May-11-2004 22:21:

As the great philospher George Carlin observed, more murder, terrorism, and genocide has been carried out in the name of God than anything else.


Posted by ResonantDrag on May-12-2004 15:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Ondrayce
As the great philospher George Carlin observed, more murder, terrorism, and genocide has been carried out in the name of God than anything else.


and yet the name of man has been ignored? it's easy to justify hatred for another as being the will of god.. it disallows self reflection on what one is actually doing. To say that the conflict would be non-existant were it not for religion is just daydreaming. sure the power structure of the two sides would be different, but the hatred would be the same

i hate to be a pessimist, but i don't see any real solution to this conflict

btw... what ever happened to bush's roadmap?



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