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Toronto out of Olympic bid 2012
Well at least this time we are not even finalists. Here is the rundown of the cities that go to the finals and their odds.
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Candidate cities for 2012 Olympics The IOC has shortlisted Paris, London, Madrid, New York and Moscow as candidate cities to host the 2012 Olympics. Here, we give an overview of how the five bids compare. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- PARIS (Odds to win: 11/10) Strengths: The French capital's accommodation capacity and transport infrastructure can cope with a huge influx of people. World Cup 1998 was hailed as a great success and the Stade de France is already up to Olympic standard. Some believe that the commitment displayed by the French government in staging a second bid after losing out to Beijing for the 2008 Games will go down well with the IOC. And the general success of the 2003 World Athletics Championships have left Paris the bookies' favourite at this early stage. Weaknesses: Paris' poor presentation of their bid for 2008 did not impress certain parties and that may still be held against them. And, as a result of missing out on that Games, the original land set aside for the athletes' village has been given over to property developers. It is hard to estimate how long negative international reaction to the French government's stance over Iraq will linger. More detail on the Paris bid LONDON (Odds to win: 5/4) Strengths: Manchester made a success of the Commonwealth Games in 2002 and that is considered a major boost to London's hopes. Olympic president Jacques Rogge was impressed and says the English capital is a front-runner. The fact that 2012 is the year of the Queen's Diamond Jubilee may form a central part of leader Barbara Cassani's campaign. Weaknesses: The city was hit by confusion over the rebuilding of Wembley Stadium. And the aborted campaign to host the 2005 World Athletics Championships - London pulled out after a row over the proposed site at Picketts Lock - also dented its international sporting standing. Its ailing transport infrastructure could also be a big handicap. More detail on the London bid MADRID (Odds to win: 7/1) Strengths: Madrid's status as a major European capital and its reputation as a centre of sporting passion will endear it to the IOC. The transport infrastructure is well funded and could cope with the demands of an Olympic Games. Weaknesses: The major factor counting against Madrid is Barcelona's hosting of the Games in 1992. In Olympic terms, 20 years may be too short a period in which to award the event to the same country. More detail on the Madrid bid NEW YORK (Odds to win: 8/1) Strengths: New York's unsurpassed profile gives it a real advantage, and the 11 September terrorist attacks make it the sentimental choice. Direct US involvement inevitably makes the task of marketing the Games easier. Weaknesses: Vancouver's successful bid for the 2010 Winter Games is a big blow, as the IOC is less likely to back consecutive events in one continent. The Atlanta Games were much criticised, with former IOC chief Juan Antonio Samaranch significantly omitting his usual sign-off that they had been the "best ever Games". On a wider front, criticism of American foreign policy could well count against New York. More detail on the New York bid MOSCOW (Odds to win: 20/1) Strengths: Having hosted the Olympics in 1980, Russia believes it has the knowhow to stage the event and would just need to modernise its sports infrastructure. President Vladimir Putin will support the bid wholeheartedly, while IOC chief Jacques Rogge could be sympathetic to a bid from the city where he was elected in 2001. The Games would help reverse the fortunes of Russian sport, which has been in decline since the break-up of the USSR. All of the sports, including football and sailing could be held within one city. Weaknesses: Money is an obvious problem and the city may not be able to match rival bids. Security would also be a concern but Russia would argue that, given the global war against terrorism, Moscow is just as safe as anywhere else. Russia is known for its bureaucratic inefficiency. |
The Olympics are a curse on the city that 'wins'.
If not for the long (financial) haul (because costs tend to be socialized and profits privatized) then for the nightmarish short haul when your city has to accomodate thousands and thousands of tourists.
haha forget 2012, what about 2004?
I'm still waiting for that greek miracle to be completed on time.
Yeah that's true of course but if you are successful then it creates amazing opportunities...apparently reports show that Syndey - Asutralia still are benefiting from the Olympics till this day.
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| Originally posted by starsearcher apparently reports show that Syndey - Asutralia still are benefiting from the Olympics till this day. |
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| Originally posted by halo20 apparently reports show that Montreal - Canada is still repaying the debt gained from the Olympics till this day. |
Thanks god.... the asslocwns that are the power-brokers in this city only used the olympics for Toronto schtick to get their hands on the waterfront.
And now, it's condo central... the real anti-island-airport ppl are those who want to privately develop the waterfront.
Do you know that the only air-ambulance in the GTA is located in the Island Airport, with no helipads in downdown?!?!! They need to land on the island, then take the ferry across, but a bridge may "ruin" our cities island charm according to the leftist clown David Miller.
Hey, lives be damned, @ least we have our cities "charm"... not to mention millions in corprate pockets on housing that has illegaly been developed, blocking approaching aircaft because they violated building codes and built too high, forcing the shutdown of landingstrips.
David Miller, Dalton McGuinty, and Paul Martin.. goooo Super Soundbyte Trinity!!! Keep voting for "change"
Well the waterfront still needs development though it looks like crap...
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| Originally posted by starsearcher Well the waterfront still needs development though it looks like crap... |
New York will get it 
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| Originally posted by crazedcanuck True, but development into a wider lakeshore roadway, with open public parkland as opposed to the industrial mess (meaning Goverment and the Docks would have to go too btw) Which is what was promised regardless of the Olympic bids success. That doesn't include PRIVATE developers and the powerbrokers in this city taking that land and making it their cookie-cutter condo crap fest. And if you want to engage in a debate, fine, but don't roll your eyes like a childish wimp. If you disagree with my asessment of your left-wing heroes, and the state of the city, then say something articulate. Until then, continue your powerfull uses of emoticons in debate. |
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| Originally posted by starsearcher Besides there is a helipad in the hospital area and i think it's on the roof of sick kids hospital so learn your facts first. |
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| [b]What I'd like to see on the waterfront are restaurants, more event places, places to walk around and relax in...right now we have nothing down there but a little marina and 1 space dedicated to what i've mentioned above. Condos are okay, i don't see anything wrong with them there, hell i'd love to live in one of those - there needs to be a lot of work done other than that. Besides condos are important because Toronto needs density, one of the major reasons why TTC is lacking in funds. |
[QUOTE]Originally posted by crazedcanuck
Actually, they don't. My sister works for Paladin Air Ambulance, located on the island. The closest airpad for a helicopter in the GTA is in Missisauge, and also Pearson has one.
...living downtown, I know for a fact there is a helipad on the roof of both Sick Kids and St. Michael's (The St. Mike's one was just completed within the last year... I watched it being built on the roof across the street from my gym.) There are Air Ambulance helicopters coming in and out of downtown over my apartment all the time.
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| Originally posted by baystreetboi [QUOTE]Originally posted by crazedcanuck Actually, they don't. My sister works for Paladin Air Ambulance, located on the island. The closest airpad for a helicopter in the GTA is in Missisauge, and also Pearson has one. ...living downtown, I know for a fact there is a helipad on the roof of both Sick Kids and St. Michael's (The St. Mike's one was just completed within the last year... I watched it being built on the roof across the street from my gym.) There are Air Ambulance helicopters coming in and out of downtown over my apartment all the time. |
YAY! It's all good...
Actually, I was right, but it was during the municpal election where that wa the case sice both hospitals helipads werent't functioning @ the time, making the island Airport even THAT more vital as a link to the downtown core for medical situations.
My sister's company actually deals with Medivac Jets (the helicpopter part split off from them), and the critical care ambulances as well.
Bottom line is Sick Kids and St. Mike's have their specialists, but the other two downtown hospitals don't have helipads, with Mount Sinai hosting some of the best Trauma specialists in Canada, as well as Cancer patients. Helicopters are used in emergencies, and Jets the majority of the time. The bridge is being payed for by REGCO, the private firm that runs the Airport.
David Miller campaigned using fear-mongering and printed materials making the Island Airport comparable to Pearson if the bridge came into reality, saying the number of flights could reach the thousands. With the current state of the industry, do you see every flight making and extra redirect to downtown?? I didn't think so.
He was staunchly against something that not only would be beneficial to the health and welfare of Ontarians, and give a boost economically as well to the corporate business community. All @ the behest of his developer buddies who operate in his ward. What a great guy.
it's probably better that Toronto isn't involved in the 2012 bid. Since..
A. There's no chance of us getting it since Vancouver has 2010
B. There's no way we can compete with these world class cities in the running, i mean NYC, London, Paris, etc?? c'mon..
C. We'll save a lotta money not biding on a futile games
and how did this thread turn into a debate over municipal politics and medi-jets.. ?? 
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| Originally posted by dEsidEL it's probably better that Toronto isn't involved in the 2012 bid. Since.. A. There's no chance of us getting it since Vancouver has 2010 B. There's no way we can compete with these world class cities in the running, i mean NYC, London, Paris, etc?? c'mon.. C. We'll save a lotta money not biding on a futile games and how did this thread turn into a debate over municipal politics and medi-jets.. ?? |
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| Originally posted by dEsidEL and how did this thread turn into a debate over municipal politics and medi-jets.. ?? |
Don't plan on seeing the Olympics in Toronto anytime soon.. The IOC doesnt like to host games on the same continent within a short amount of time. They like to rotate the continents for each Games.. and don't like to hold Games in the same country when it's turn for the same continent again..
All in all, I'd give it another... 20 years. Especially since some developing countries are reaching the capacity of holding Games, they'll want to give it to them (i.e. Beijing 
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| Originally posted by crazedcanuck Well, the bid comittee, as well as the city politicians explicitly stated that waterfront redevelopment was @ the forefront of the Olympics coming to Toronto, and regardless of it's sitation, the waterfront would be returned to the people and developed. |
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| Originally posted by psychosomatica Don't plan on seeing the Olympics in Toronto anytime soon.. The IOC doesnt like to host games on the same continent within a short amount of time. They like to rotate the continents for each Games.. and don't like to hold Games in the same country when it's turn for the same continent again.. All in all, I'd give it another... 20 years. Especially since some developing countries are reaching the capacity of holding Games, they'll want to give it to them (i.e. Beijing ) |
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| Originally posted by dEsidEL yes , i agree.. but medi-jets.. ?? |
i believe that Toronto officially pulled out of the running for the 2012 games shortly after Vancouver won the 2010 games.
With 2 games in Canada within a 25 year time-span (Calgary & Vancouver/Whistler) and 3 in 40 years, the chance of it returning to Canada within the next 50 years are non-existent.
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