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Arrogant Paul Martin blames Harris for Ontario tax increases

Paul Martin may have come to Toronto to talk about the waterfront. But there�s little doubt he�ll soon be going from a shore thing to a sure thing � the expected Sunday call of a federal election.

The Prime Minister, while not confirming Ottawa�s worst kept secret about the vote, insists he�s not worried about a potential backlash from the key province of Ontario, after the Grit contingent here raised taxes in the budget, despite a promise not to do so.

And he trotted out what�s becoming an increasingly familiar refrain destined to be heard again and again during the upcoming campaign, designed to placate disgruntled local voters.

�I think it�s pretty clear what happened in Ontario,� he opines. �Mike Harris cut taxes prematurely � He eventually put himself � in a situation where they had to cut services, and they indebted the province. And I think it�s a very strong example of why fiscal prudence is very important when you govern, and you shouldn�t cut taxes unless you can afford them.�

He denies Premier Dalton McGuinty lied to constituents. �I think the voters of Ontario who�ve lived through what they�ve lived through over much of the past decade � understand exactly where the responsibility lies,� he concludes.

If Martin calls the vote as expected this weekend, we�d likely hit the polls on Monday, June 28th.

Its time to send Liberals of all stripes and levels a clear message next month at the polls...

yo...can we just keep the same issues in the same thread?

A fillibuster in the TOTA forums isn't needed...

its a new headline... and a new issue...

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Originally posted by Jayx1 its a new headline... and a new issue...

no, it's the same issue (Liberals) under a different banner...

Paul Martin's cuts contributed to it more than anything



Fiberals, out!

ALL HAIL PAUL MARTIN!

well hes right. im sorry but whether you vote conservative or liberal he left the province a mess. and dont for a second pretend paul martin is any more arrogant than mike harris. one of the more insincere politicians i have known in my lifetime.

edit.. that said i dont think dalton mcguinty is capable of fixing the situation though.

man... you don't like liberals, we got that message.

I am for one want some changes at the federal level... but there's not a single party that can win this next one. sadly

a minority liberal govt would be intresting.

I'm done debating politics here...you liberal bashers spew propaganda as much as anyone you're criticizing, lol.

It's rather obvious that McGuinty's shitty term is going to affect the federal election. Suddenly, the term "liberal" = liar.

Martin has two choices...distance himself and have the public perceive a fundamental difference of policy and opinion between the federal and provincial liberals, or throw some support behind him and bash the previous conservative governments which may also help him in his election bid by further tarnishing the image of federal conservatives. There's a reason Mike Harris turned down running for the leadership of the federal conservatives...he knows he can't win in ontario (and probably not in Quebec either), which means he would fail to win the election unless he virtually swept the entire rest of the country (not going to happen).

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Originally posted by malek man... you don't like liberals, we got that message. I am for one want some changes at the federal level... but there's not a single party that can win this next one. sadly a minority liberal govt would be intresting.

I wish that the Bloc had reps. in Ontario for the election .. would be interesting..

malek, I agree...I'd actually LIKE to see a strong minority Liberal gov't, which is what we're likely to get anyway, providing the NDP does well and would work with the Liberals. That would be *really* interesting :P

the last thing this country needs is the ndp. the only intelligent propositions they have are drug reforms

I agree...I'd *hate* to see the NDP in power...always have grand ideas with no feasible way of implementing and supporting them...but as a "coalition" (another dirty word of late, lol), with the Liberals on specific issues...it might be interesting.

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Originally posted by dEsidEL I wish that the Bloc had reps. in Ontario for the election .. would be interesting..

a poll published today concering Quebec


another poll...


at 45%, a party sweeps the province... doesn't look good for Martin right now.

LOL!

Jay master...One friendly advice..They do have a politics/rebate room in thess forums....and I swear it's quite active
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Originally posted by Fir3start3r yo...can we just keep the same issues in the same thread? A fillibuster in the TOTA forums isn't needed...

JAYX1 - no offense dude, but I tend to agree with this - you've started no less than 4 threads in the last 48 hours about essentially the same topic....I like getting involved in local political discussions as much as anyone, but you're flooding the forum with it....ease up man....apart from being a bit annoying, i think you'll find it also has the opposite effect from your intention, as it segments a potential discussion into several threads

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r yo...can we just keep the same issues in the same thread? A fillibuster in the TOTA forums isn't needed...

I love the political debate, but if we are going to attack the election issues, a stickied thread would be best.

told ya so Jay....

the people revolt.

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Originally posted by MarkT I'm done debating politics here...you liberal bashers spew propaganda as much as anyone you're criticizing, lol.

As much as some of the debate and stances have been strong, I haven't seen anything said about the liberals that was not rooted in truth and covered in the news over their term.

yeah, i'm tired of seeing all these political threads. have one thread, and leave it at that. the people interested will follow it.

or move to the political forum.

Oh guys STFU.
Its not everyday we are in the midst of an election.
Political awareness is always a good thing.

Who knows, these forums might just be some peoples deciding factors.

thank you crew... and as i always say...

if you dont want to read it.. dont click on it


Some people enjoy having their heads in the sand though

you're missing the point...i dont think anyone's objecting to having political discussions (at least, im certainly not) on here....we're objecting to the NUMBER of political threads you've started in the last few days....just asking that you keep it in mind, thats all.....

Only if Ontario had Bloc candidates.
This party is definately one for the people. They work hard and seem right in their arguments. I know i dont know too much about them but all i know is that im not voting for NDP or PC/Reform (conservative alliance) parties.

I dont want to vote fed liberal cuz they turned their backs on Ontario during our SARS, Blackout and west nile crisis'. The thing is, my riding has a cabinet minister stan keyes so i kinda feel like I have to vote. The next biggest contender is a popular NDP candidate who i seem to disagree with everything he stand against.

This is the first election i stand undecided.

fuck all those f.uc.kers.

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