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Holly - strict rules

So I am planning on going to Buffalo do some shopping and I just saw this one the mall's website ... *CLICK*

How messed up is that??
I'm clear but still...

It's clear that they're having problems with youngsters causing chaos around the mall.

haha I'm glad I live in Canada. I'd love to go downthere with a shirt that has "obscentiies" on it and see what they say to a 24 year old...
Big brother makes me sick sometimes...

this first rule 1. Loitering is plain fuken stupid

The US has no respect for their youth and often treat them with contempt. Its no wonder many of them lash out violently at society.

I do agree with the rules though except the parental escort bullshit. Also the appropriate attire thing smacks of big brotherism. There is a dress code to go to the mall now? WTF????

Other than that the rest of the rules are pretty straight forward. If they are this worried about teens in the mall they should just hire security to deal with the trouble makers. Most teens are there to shop and buy things and if i were that age living near that mall id organize a huge boycott of that place. People under 18 are a huge source of revenue, especially in a mall.

Also, if i owned a store in that mall id be freaking out as well.

this was done two years ago...not to prevent problems, but to address them. know the difference. it's not like TO where there is a ton of things to do.

it's a good rule. at that time of day (night) gangs of hooligans used to congregate near the AMC.

and they never bought anything




legitimate shoppers were intimidated..



IMO the funniest thing about that mall are the hats the security guards wear!

needing to be accompanied by an adult to a mall when you are under 18 but still within legal age to be left alone in public is absolutely rediculous.

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Also the appropriate attire thing smacks of big brotherism.

Does it though? A mall is private property, and therefore it is up to the owners to decide who is permitted to be there. Is it any different than appropriate attire for night clubs?

Sure its their right. And its the right of patrons to boycott stupid practices as well which is what people should be doing in regards to this mall.

LMAO Jay...you really have no idea what you're talking about here. I understand your viewpoint, but peel off your "people's superman" suit for a second.

Imagine a small city that even sleeps most of Friday and Saturday nights, with not much to do. A non-diverse culture, that really has no idea how to have a good time and enjoy their surroundings. Nothing like Toronto's shopping districts that are predictably rammed for vast periods of any day they are in operation.

You're left with a city that has a few shopping malls, the most popular of which is only busy for a couple hours on each of its busiest weekend days. Come nightfall, there is really nowhere for teens to hang out, since clubs are 21 & over for the most part. Since this mall is in Cheektowaga, and there is no useful subway system, the 18+ clubs downtown aren't easily accessible for those who are able to get in. Downtown Buffalo has NOTHING to offer besides clubs and the sports arena.

This is all that kids have to do. Kids camp out in the food court area in large groups, harassing people and causing trouble, VERY RARELY buying anything.

Your political plight would fail geatly in this situation. While I'm on your side in many others, this is one wheret you would agree with me if you knew more about the matter.


FYI - they don't ID at doors of this mall. If you're loitering, causing trouble, and not shopping, you're not welcome, as you shouldn't be in any place of business. If you're 16/17, and you're shopping, they're not going to give you grief.

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Originally posted by DigitalMP Downtown Buffalo has NOTHING to offer besides clubs and the sports arena.

I'm guessing alot of the people from Buffalo trek down to Windsor when they turn 19. Can you verify or refute that??? Or perhaps they skip Windsor and head to Toronto since its closer?? I'm really curious. Downtown Windsor is getting so over-run by Americans every Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night that its getting out of hand. I don't mind them coming over to have a good time, but alot of them are just completely disrespectful and always starting fights and just looking for trouble... acting like they own the fucking place.

Regardless, Do you not find it somewhat weird how certain big cities in the US have nothing much to offer for younger crowds, while others seem to have too much. Every time I passed through Sacramento I ask myself, "how could I ever live in this city if I wasn't at least 40?" The city just always seemed too quaint and cozy.

-Your Mother

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If you're loitering, causing trouble, and not shopping, you're not welcome, as you shouldn't be in any place of business. If you're 16/17, and you're shopping, they're not going to give you grief.

Go read the website again. It explicitly says that if you are under 18 you MUST be accompanied by an adult over 21. It does not say "to loiter you must be accompanied"

This is the part that i object to as well as the "dress code". The rest of it is perfectly acceptable and allows for the proper treatment of trouble makers.

I just have a problem with policies or laws that treat everyone as a criminal or as an idiot before they even have the chance to commit the act.

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Originally posted by Your Mother I'm guessing alot of the people from Buffalo trek down to Windsor when they turn 19. Can you verify or refute that??? Or perhaps they skip Windsor and head to Toronto since its closer?? I'm really curious. Downtown Windsor is getting so over-run by Americans every Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night that its getting out of hand. I don't mind them coming over to have a good time, but alot of them are just completely disrespectful and always starting fights and just looking for trouble... acting like they own the fucking place. Regardless, Do you not find it somewhat weird how certain big cities in the US have nothing much to offer for younger crowds, while others seem to have too much. Every time I passed through Sacramento I ask myself, "how could I ever live in this city if I wasn't at least 40?" The city just always seemed too quaint and cozy. -Your Mother

You're thinking of Detroit-Windsor not Buffalo-Windsor

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf You're thinking of Detroit-Windsor not Buffalo-Windsor

Actually, I'm thinking of Buffalo-Windsor... I grew up in Windsor so I know that most of the people come from Michigan and Ohio. I was just curious if people from Buffalo make the trip down to spend the weekend in Windsor and take in the night-life. Windsor has become the place to party for Americans who are 19 - 23 and I was curious if it stretches as far as Buffalo.

-Your Mother

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Go read the website again. It explicitly says that if you are under 18 you MUST be accompanied by an adult over 21. It does not say "to loiter you must be accompanied"

1. Trust me, I live here.
2. Boa is 21 and over.

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Originally posted by Your Mother I'm guessing alot of the people from Buffalo trek down to Windsor when they turn 19. Can you verify or refute that??? Or perhaps they skip Windsor and head to Toronto since its closer?? Regardless, Do you not find it somewhat weird how certain big cities in the US have nothing much to offer for younger crowds, while others seem to have too much.

I've never been to Windsor, and the only friends of mine from Buffalo that have, have gone there with my TO crew. I'll make it sometime this summer...probably near the end when Mark goes there to spin.

American cities are touch and go. Seriously, the only ones that I would really visit for a good party time are those that have an electronic music scene. Not just for that aspect, but because it's established that the cultural and musical diversity spans to wide ends of society.

Taken from their website:

Attention Parents:

Effective September 6, 2002,Walden Galleria is instituting
a Parental Escort Policy on Friday & Saturday
Between the hours of 4pm 'til close



Anyone under the age of 18 visiting Walden Galleria must be
accompanied by a parent or guardian 21 years of age or older



One parent or guardian (21 years or older) is permitted to supervise
up to (5) teens. Teens must remain within the company of their
parent or guardian. Acceptable proof of age will be: Driver's License,
State/Provincial non-driver ID. Military or college ID, Passport or Visa.


I rest my case...

And what does Boa have to do with a mall?

Jay, WTF will it take for you to understand that I LIVE HERE AND SEE HOW IT IS ENFORCED.

And Boa is 21+, yet many who are <21 are let in, because they are not the "typical <21",

aaah sorry i was under the impression that you were saying this policy didnt exist.


But that begs a further question. Why post such controversial policies on a website and then not even bother to enforce them?

Jay, let's call it an "explicit deterrant". Just letting kids know they can get in trouble is implicit enforcement enough, and it also gives parents leverage - "jay you little prick, stay out of that fucking mall, because if you get arrested, i'm taking away your dildo collection!"

as for way it is not always enforced, well...have you ever been let go for speeding?

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