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Posted by d!abolic on May-25-2004 15:46:

Girl commits suicide after getting an SMS

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AN Indian teenager killed herself after receiving a mobile phone text message saying she had failed her school leaving exams, although she had actually passed, a report said today.

The 17-year-old girl hanged herself yesterday morning after getting the SMS giving her the wrong information, the Hindustan Times reported.

The girl's parents had been out attending yoga classes with their second daughter when the girl committed suicide in the central Indian town of Indore, the report said.

Results of the school-leaving exams of over 250,000 students began being announced yesterday, with cellphone companies for a small fee offering to provide results via SMS to those students giving their roll numbers.

It was uncertain whether the company was at fault for sending the incorrect message or whether the girl had made a mistake in typing down her roll number, the report said.

Pressure from parents and peers on students to score high marks in the exams is immense and each year dozens across the country kill themselves when they find they have failed.

Schools have now begun offering counselling for depressed and nervous teenagers, while the Central Board of Secondary Education, which conducts the exam, set up an e-counselling helpline in March.

The department's director G. Balasubramanian said the centre has been receiving 50-60 calls a day, the Press Trust of India news agency reported.

"This is our way of reaching out to the students and telling them that we care. It is our duty to address the problems of students," he told the news agency.

Of the 250,000 results announced yesterday, it was found that girls, who achieved a pass rate of 94 per cent, had done better than boys, who could only muster a pass rate of 88 per cent, the report said.


Posted by starsearcher on May-25-2004 15:51:

Lol...that's so stupid - poor child...

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The girl's parents had been out attending yoga classes with their second daughter when the girl committed suicide in the central Indian town of Indore, the report said.


That sounds so cliche and fabricated lol...Yoga classes lol


Posted by d!abolic on May-25-2004 15:57:

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Originally posted by starsearcher
Lol...that's so stupid - poor child...



That sounds so cliche and fabricated lol...Yoga classes lol
LMFAO! "We were in the park with our youngest daughter, collecting flowers and singing Kumbaya"


Posted by Fir3start3r on May-25-2004 15:57:

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Originally posted by starsearcher
That sounds so cliche and fabricated lol...Yoga classes lol


Another case of Truth being stranger than fiction...


Posted by starsearcher on May-25-2004 16:11:

The truth though is that i actually know quite a few people that are so pressured by their parents in terms of grades and such that it's stupid and crazy
It's such a shame cause that really is a real problem - then these kids grow up to be socially isolated no idea how to communicate with anyone and grow to have many more emotional problems...


Posted by disko-kandi on May-25-2004 16:13:

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Originally posted by starsearcher
The truth though is that i actually know quite a few people that are so pressured by their parents in terms of grades and such that it's stupid and crazy
It's such a shame cause that really is a real problem - then these kids grow up to be socially isolated no idea how to communicate with anyone and are have many more emotional problems...


this is especially the case with asian families. during my time at UBC we had several cases of suicide; one even jumped out of the resident tower and killed himself in front of the entrance after receiving his final marks ...just before the summer began ... sad, but true.


Posted by nycionx on May-25-2004 16:21:

the parents fault for sure. i believe they put too much pressure on her, and that if she failed they would like punish her or something....sooo she punished herself. thats sad...really sad. as if school school is more important than life


Posted by LKD on May-25-2004 16:26:

been there, almost done that, but still alive


Posted by disko-kandi on May-25-2004 16:27:

achievement/ encouragement - fine, but within the boundaries of the student's capabilities.
over-achievement and the pure pressure, threat of ..(?) by the parents and the fear by the kids not to disappoint that's a big load to carry! ... noone can learn like that with an open mind!! as if marks are everything! ... i sucked at school (cos i would rather do sports rather than sit inside with my nose in the books!) and was only mediocre at uni, - but the point is that i've still managed to be successful academically, in the end, with a master in laws. ... it seems true pedagogics are an extinct species these days with our schooling system!

if the parents are so in touch with themselves and their environment i.e. yoga ... where does that leave the girl?


Posted by LKD on May-25-2004 16:29:

i would barely pass with the 33% passing mark..then when i moved here, without even opening my book i was scoring in 80s

ironic eh


Posted by starsearcher on May-25-2004 16:30:

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Originally posted by disko-kandi
this is especially the case with asian families. during my time at UBC we had several cases of suicide; one even jumped out of the resident tower and killed himself in front of the entrance after receiving his final marks ...just before the summer began ... sad, but true.


Yeah i was thinking that too...i live in north york with so many asian ppl like that around me -- they really have no life no friends no nothing...they typically play some kind of instrument like a flute cause their parents made them - they don't do any sports, don't excercise, all they do is study study study - the result are those totally weird and completely unsocial ppl -- i even work with some of them...it's pretty sad.
The other day i was talking with a supervisor of mine who is asian as well and he was telling me how him and his little son were getting ready for a test...the son he tells me made 1 mistake....ONE MISTAKE and the guy told him OMG HOW ARE YOU GOING TO WRITE THE TEST, totally freaked...i was shocked...poor kid - it's exactly the same scenario - mind you his dad is a pretty sad case as well it's just too bad he has such tough influence on his son.

*EDIT*
My mom always told me that that's exactly how her parents were with her and she was right (i was being influenced by my grandparents as well). But the difference is that my mom didn't let them influence me after a while and she gave me full autonomy to do what i felt was right...I definitely feel sorry for my mom for the fact she had to go through that but I love the fact that she is the coolest mom in the world when it comes to me. I will definitely raise my child following her example


Posted by disko-kandi on May-25-2004 16:30:

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee
i would barely pass with the 33% passing mark..then when i moved here, without even opening my book i was scoring in 80s

ironic eh


hahaha!! yea i skipped grade 4 when i came over here and when i went back to germany in grade 7, i had to move back 2 years!!!


Posted by d!abolic on May-25-2004 16:31:

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Originally posted by disko-kandi

if the parents are so in touch with themselves and their environment i.e. yoga ... where does that leave the girl?
Um... hanging from a rope?


Posted by disko-kandi on May-25-2004 16:34:

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Originally posted by starsearcher
Yeah i was thinking that too...i live in north york with so many asian ppl like that around me -- they really have no life no friends no nothing...they typically play some kind of instrument like a flute cause their parents made them - they don't do any sports, don't excercise, all they do is study study study - the result are those totally weird and completely unsocial ppl -- i even work with some of them...it's pretty sad.
The other day i was talking with a supervisor of mine who is asian as well and he was telling me how him and his little son were getting ready for a test...the son he tells me made 1 mistake....ONE MISTAKE and the guy told him OMG HOW ARE YOU GOING TO WRITE THE TEST, totally freaked...i was shocked...poor kid - it's exactly the same scenario - mind you his dad is a pretty sad case as well it's just too bad he has such tough influence on his son.


that's just sick! ... yea in my case, the best was never good enough! ugh! turns my stomach to this day even thinking about it. thank god i've managed to deal with my perfectionistic tendencies now. pure torture, i tell ya! ... it's just wrong!


Posted by disko-kandi on May-25-2004 16:34:

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Originally posted by d!abolic
Um... hanging from a rope?


haha! smart ass!

sorry..that's actually not funny! macabre!


Posted by starsearcher on May-25-2004 16:35:

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Originally posted by disko-kandi
that's just sick! ... yea in my case, the best was never good enough! ugh! turns my stomach to this day even thinking about it. thank god i've managed to deal with my perfectionistic tendencies now. pure torture, i tell ya! ... it's just wrong!


Exactly it is wrong...because there are more important things in life than studying and being perfect in school...parents like that really bother me


Posted by Rocco on May-25-2004 16:39:

and i thought my parents where pushy!

i'm spoiled in that case... looking at scenarios like that makes me appreciate the logic my parents have. They tend to be a bit pushy but not to that extreme.

thanks mom, thanks dad.


Posted by d!abolic on May-25-2004 16:39:

It's so ironic.. i never finished high school, yet i make more than everyone i know who has. And when they graduate from university, i'll still be making more. Taking the path less travelled > following the crowds. You'd think that of all people, Asians would know this best - look how many Hong Kong business millionaires there are!


Posted by starsearcher on May-25-2004 16:42:

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Originally posted by d!abolic
It's so ironic.. i never finished high school, yet i make more than everyone i know who has. And when they graduate from university, i'll still be making more. Taking the path less travelled > following the crowds. You'd think that of all people, Asians would know this best - look how many Hong Kong business millionaires there are!


Ecxept that it seems that a lot of these asian ppl don't...i mean i don't know what it is...i think it might be part of the whole "communist" crap - i remember things like back in the USSR...but it's crazy really.


Posted by disko-kandi on May-25-2004 16:43:

quote:
Originally posted by d!abolic
It's so ironic.. i never finished high school, yet i make more than everyone i know who has. And when they graduate from university, i'll still be making more. Taking the path less travelled > following the crowds. You'd think that of all people, Asians would know this best - look how many Hong Kong business millionaires there are!


a broad education is extremely important ... making money is not the be all, end all!

it's up to you what you want in life, and sure, you should be able to decide what is right for YOU, but the parents and teachers should be there to guide and mentor you from an early age, - not coerce you!


Posted by Cyrus King on May-25-2004 17:00:

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Originally posted by starsearcher
Yeah i was thinking that too...i live in north york with so many asian ppl like that around me -- they really have no life no friends no nothing...they typically play some kind of instrument like a flute cause their parents made them - they don't do any sports, don't excercise, all they do is study study study - the result are those totally weird and completely unsocial ppl -- i even work with some of them...it's pretty sad.
The other day i was talking with a supervisor of mine who is asian as well and he was telling me how him and his little son were getting ready for a test...the son he tells me made 1 mistake....ONE MISTAKE and the guy told him OMG HOW ARE YOU GOING TO WRITE THE TEST, totally freaked...i was shocked...poor kid - it's exactly the same scenario - mind you his dad is a pretty sad case as well it's just too bad he has such tough influence on his son.

*EDIT*
My mom always told me that that's exactly how her parents were with her and she was right (i was being influenced by my grandparents as well). But the difference is that my mom didn't let them influence me after a while and she gave me full autonomy to do what i felt was right...I definitely feel sorry for my mom for the fact she had to go through that but I love the fact that she is the coolest mom in the world when it comes to me. I will definitely raise my child following her example


Its one thing to force your child to study and do nothing else, and it another thing to encourage them with almost all thier effort to value the attainment of knowledge through studious behaviour. Fromt he Asians i have encountered, many of them are just brought up that way, to perfect their knowledge and education, something they pride much more than playing sports, going to the movies, getting drunk and doing drugs (althought that isnt the case for Guvernment )


Posted by starsearcher on May-25-2004 17:14:

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Originally posted by Cyrus King
Its one thing to force your child to study and do nothing else, and it another thing to encourage them with almost all thier effort to value the attainment of knowledge through studious behaviour. Fromt he Asians i have encountered, many of them are just brought up that way, to perfect their knowledge and education, something they pride much more than playing sports, going to the movies, getting drunk and doing drugs (althought that isnt the case for Guvernment:eek


I totally agree - there's nothing wrong wtih having education and knowledge - overall it makes for a better society - but the problem is that they have no emotional development...sports IMO are very important - they develop character discipline and a lot of other skills...the problem is that a lot of people are forcing this insane pressure on their kids and that's not right. After all kids should be kids...and like i said there are much more important things in life than doing amazing in school...I can pull out a list of people who didn't do that well in school but did amazing in life and vice versa. I set my own high goals for school - but that's just me it's not like someone is pushing me to it...there's one thing to guide but it's a whole other thing to force someone.


Posted by Fir3start3r on May-25-2004 17:24:

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Originally posted by starsearcher
Exactly it is wrong...because there are more important things in life than studying and being perfect in school...parents like that really bother me


Oh so true...

Success is a journey of many failures, not a destination.
If you fail, you learn from those failures and MOVE ON.
The school system is atrocious for this because it certainly is not like that in the real world at all.
Someone else's opinion of you does not have to become your reality; especially the school system's.
They are NOT the be all and end all of what's happening in the real world.
It's about your own perseverance whether you fail or not as long as you get up more times than you fall.
I know this may sound like a bunch of cliches but I can't stress how true this is.
The sooner students like that poor girl learn this REAL lesson, the better off they will be...


Posted by LKD on May-25-2004 17:24:

since non of u are gonna stumble over this, i might as well say it...

the parents are not neccessarily pushy but competition in any part of asia is extremely great due to the lack of jobs. its not only to be a millionaire (which as u might not know arent that many in India)

In the 10th and 12th grade, the exam is education-board wide. many states will follow one education board adn then anotehr bunch will follow the rest.

the teacher that teaches the subject to the student isnt he one correcting but the exam papers are sent to randome teachers unde the same board.

in 10th grade i barely made teh distinciton class (65%) and i was happy. many are

if u fail even one exam, it means u repeat the whole year as compared to here where u just retake the failed subject in summerschool or watever.

to repeat the whole year means u will be in a classroom of people a year younger than you, u will be looked down upon by ur former clasmates and ridiculed and so on.

India is not a geek nation as percieved by N. America due to the job exports goin on right now.

oh and back to the first point i made, the competition is so great that unlike how we faced teh "double cohort" bug last year, where we were afraid that alot of students wouldnt be able to get into university due to the overpopulation, thats something that happens every year in india. the ratio of students to available seats is about 5:1


Posted by aarontrance on May-25-2004 19:19:

LKD I had NO idea things were like that in the asian/indian countries. I knew there was always enormous pressure on the kids (as I see in my school in the asians) to overachieve, but I never thought their school system was so strict.

The fact of the matter is (as a few others mentioned) that just because you don't do well in school doesn't mean that you can't be passionate about anything else in your life. It's great that my parents taught me there is more to life than that. I mean, I am aiming to do really well in school but if I don't become an MD I do have a back-up plan, nor do I doubt I will be any less happy in life.


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