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Posted by stnthmn on May-31-2004 07:48:

Need to get new Cartridges for my TTX1's suggestions?

I am looking to get new cartridges for my Numark ttx1 turntables. When I bought them the guy suggested Shure M25C so I got them. However, they were cheap and I want reliable ones now. Basically what I want are very good cartridges that gives great sound and easy on the vinyl. I don't do much scratching but I would appreciate suggestions on cartridges that do scratching also. Basically I want to get very good cartridges that either scratch or not but I'm possibly looking for some that won't wear out my records. suggestions!!!


Posted by Wildfir3 on May-31-2004 08:38:

i'd say nightclub but since u wanna be able to scratch (it can be done with nightclubs but not really recommended) -> shure whitelabel will probably be the best choice


Posted by stnthmn on May-31-2004 08:43:

i'm looking at my DJ magazine now and Whitelabel is $109.99. Is that a good price for that cartridge? I assume Whitelabel will allow scratching? Also is the sound is great?


Posted by Wildfir3 on May-31-2004 09:00:

I've heard u gotta like the sound personally because its 'different'. Never touched 'em though.

I guess that's a good price, but i wouldn't know, because they're about twice that price in belgium


Posted by tu_face on May-31-2004 11:43:

white labels are excellent all-round carts, and it takes a lot to get them out of the groove so they are good for scratching..

if you want to spend a bit less but still want a quality cart go for concorde pro or night club, although they arnt really scratch carts, you can still scratch with them if you put the weight up to about 5 gram.

if you have loads of money to spend go for stanton trackmaster 2sk.


Posted by spiralhelix on May-31-2004 12:40:

my 2 cents,

shure m44-7 are decent carts for scratching.


Posted by liquidmist2001 on May-31-2004 19:36:

109.99 is a decent prices for whitelables...but i've found them for much cheaper...just look around, maybe even try ebay...

also, m447s are almost as good as whitelabels, and they are cheaper also, but they are just a little bit harder on your records than more carts...m447s are also very very loud...just my opinion i guess


Posted by stnthmn on May-31-2004 20:23:

Today I went out and I bought the Shure Whitelable cartridges. I also picked up new slipmats and the Korg KP2 Kaoss pad Efftects processor. The guy also threw in 10 feet cords for the hookup. I got a great deal of only $500 for all this. Not too bad. However, I started to use the Whitelabel and the records are skipping like crazy now. I know I need to adjust some things. I was wondering if anyone here can give me some detailed steps for doing this. The directions that came with them are so confusing. Thanks again.


Posted by Wildfir3 on May-31-2004 21:51:

1. put the cart in the tonearm
2. unlock the tonearm lock thingy, leave the tonearm in place
3. balance the tonearm so that it 'hovers' horizontally
4. turn the small ring on the weight (not the weight itself) to 0
5. turn the weight to the appropriate amount of pressure (counterclockwise i suppose)

done & done


Posted by stnthmn on May-31-2004 21:54:

I did that and it still skips. I tried doing it a few times and the same thing. I also tried adjusting that anti-skid thing and still it skips. I'm about to take these cartridges back.


Posted by Wildfir3 on May-31-2004 21:58:

maybe your tonearm doesn't have the right height settings anymore, since ur using a new cart and all. I'd check that out too if i were you.

The arm should be horizontally with the platter when the needle is on the record, if you know what i mean.


Posted by stnthmn on May-31-2004 22:05:

I tried that too and still it skips liek crazy. I'm getting kinda upset because these aren't cheap cartridges and I was expecting these to be better that was I did have. I guess not.


Posted by dj chex on May-31-2004 22:06:

If you want good sound quality,insanely great tracking,low cue-burn, high output, and a good value, then check out shure m44-g. They are based on shure's m44-7 except taliored for more broader use. Sound quality IMO is very close to my whitelabels, and so is output. The advantage of these compared to whitelabels are indeed it's ability to hold a groove under abusive forms of scratching. I think you'll be happy with these. If you want a integrated cartridge then you should also check out Shure's Whitelabel, and Ortofon's Nightclub.


Posted by Wildfir3 on May-31-2004 22:09:

quote:
Originally posted by stnthmn
I tried that too and still it skips liek crazy. I'm getting kinda upset because these aren't cheap cartridges and I was expecting these to be better that was I did have. I guess not.


some strange shit, if the problem remains with both carts, i guess you're still doing something wrong.


Posted by dj chex on May-31-2004 22:10:

quote:
Originally posted by tu_face
if you have loads of money to spend go for stanton trackmaster 2sk.


i use to own a pair of those. IMO they sound like the cheaper 520sk but much worse b/c they tear up vinyl. don't buy them.


Posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY on Jun-01-2004 01:42:

quote:
Originally posted by stnthmn
I did that and it still skips. I tried doing it a few times and the same thing. I also tried adjusting that anti-skid thing and still it skips. I'm about to take these cartridges back.


First things first...congratulations, you now own the last set of carts you will ever buy. Secondly, the instructions are not hard to follow, they make perfect sense...I think you haven't sat down and read them through so you understand them. Now as far as your skipping problems, 99.9% OF ALL WHITELABELS SKIP WHEN THEY ARE NEW!!! They need a little time to get broke in, and then you will not be able to get them to jump out of the groove. Set the weight to 2 grams, and 0 anti-skate, height around 2 as well. DO NOT USE ANTI-SKATE with these or any other needles for DJ'ing. If you have no clue how to set up your tone arm, or don't understand what the manual is saying after you have read through it, then you need to read how to do that. That is very important to know if you are going to be spinning. There are great how-to's and whats-that about tone arm set up on the net. Trust me, Whitelabels are excellent with virtually no record wear and the sound quality will blow you away. Ortofons sound great as well, but they wear your vinyl out pretty quick...Whitelabels are the best for both sound/wear. Good luck


Posted by stnthmn on Jun-01-2004 02:50:

Ok here is what happened. First of all, with the instructions, I read them again and it wasn't much different from the directions from the first set of carts I had. Everything I did was right, even my friend who is a DJ also said so. However he could not understand why these carts were still skipping. He advised me to take them back and get get something close to what I was using before but better. I went back to the store and told the guy who sold them to me what happened. He took the carts, handed me two brand new Whitelabels and explained that they need a little breaking in. He said that the secret is to put them on vinyl (not spinning) overnight so they break in better. Hopefully this will work because I can't wait to start spinning with these.


Posted by Wraith on Jun-01-2004 03:12:

I must be in the minority here then vecaue I had absolutely no problems with my whitelables when I got them. Good to hear that you've got the problem sorted though.


Posted by dartman on Jun-01-2004 03:23:

quote:
Originally posted by tu_face
if you have loads of money to spend go for stanton trackmaster 2sk.


no offense, but i am gonna have to say, bad idea. i have a set of these collecting dust, because they suck. they dont sound good and they jump out of the groove all the time. i got a set of shure m44gs, to replace them and i cant make them skip. you can also put m44-7 styli in them and have ultra loud scratch carts.


Posted by dj chex on Jun-01-2004 03:52:

opps. i didn't read one of your latter posts. As for whitelabels, here's how i had it setup on my 1200s. (it may work the same on your ttx-1, so it's worth a shot)

height: 3mm
antiskate: 0g
tracking weight: 3g
overhang: 52mm

So try that out on a "s" tonearm and see how it works.


Posted by stnthmn on Jun-01-2004 06:23:

Thank you everyone for all the advice. I do not have time tonight to set up teh Whitelabels but I'm sure going to after work tomorrow. I also can't wait to hook up and try out the kaoss pad. I Will let everyone know how the whitelabels work tomorrow.


Posted by tu_face on Jun-01-2004 08:42:

quote:
Originally posted by dartman
no offense, but i am gonna have to say, bad idea. i have a set of these collecting dust, because they suck. they dont sound good and they jump out of the groove all the time. i got a set of shure m44gs, to replace them and i cant make them skip. you can also put m44-7 styli in them and have ultra loud scratch carts.


strange, i have heard nothing but good things about these carts..


Posted by dartman on Jun-01-2004 16:01:

^^ i thought they would be good because everybody talks about staton's cheaper carts being really durable and good for the money. because the trackmasters were so expensive i thought they must be awesome, but i cant stand them. i ended up getting a set of groovemaster II rm tips for them and that made them sound alot better but i still wasnt happy with the way they held the groove, so i got some M44Gs and havent looked back. my stanton carts are collecting dust.


Posted by `pr0digy on Jun-01-2004 19:37:

quote:
Originally posted by dartman
^^ i thought they would be good because everybody talks about staton's cheaper carts being really durable and good for the money. because the trackmasters were so expensive i thought they must be awesome, but i cant stand them. i ended up getting a set of groovemaster II rm tips for them and that made them sound alot better but i still wasnt happy with the way they held the groove, so i got some M44Gs and havent looked back. my stanton carts are collecting dust.


I have a Trackmaster II and I don't like it too much either. It came with the table when I bought it, and I got a new stylus for it, but that didn't help anything. If I ever get some money I also plan on buying a set of m44g's.


Posted by dj chex on Jun-02-2004 01:54:

quote:
Originally posted by tu_face
strange, i have heard nothing but good things about these carts..


I don't know how many good things you've heard bout trackmasters, but IMHO they suck. Hell, id rather use their $29 500al-2 instead and save over 100 in cash.


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