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WTF, Why is it I like sets mixed my ametuer DJ's from this site more than "pros"?

I rarely ever hear a badass set anymore, nothing is my taste, and I download like 5 sets a day. I downloaded a few sets off Delerium2k on the amatuer DJ section and I am in love with them. The last set I remember liking was oakenfold @ shadow lounge. I dont know whats going on anymore.

what separates a "pro" from an amateur?

i think a lot of the big names are overrated and have let their standards slip over the years.

sure they're masters of their game, but i would agree with you a lot of upcoming producers/djs are just as (if not more) talented.

could also be because your tastes change (or stayed the same), and the pros have changed their styles and you don't necessarily like it.

Most Dj's are pro because of their production.

Possibly because the amateur DJs will be more willing to be flexible in their sets, and hence play more unknown tracks that are still good.

big names play to big crowds, in a lot of different places, so they play a lower common denominator, and tunes you here a lot more often. Lesser know names, more variety

I agree. I've been listening to a lot of the lesser known DJ's lately, i.e. Greg Benz and Niklas Harding, who aren't quite superstar DJ's yet. Their sets are great though and I'm finding a lot of the superstar DJ's to have rather drab sets lately.

I relate "amateur" more to it being a hobby, or in other words, not your full-time job. But if you DJ for a living and it consumes a sizeable portion of your life (like full-time jobs DO), then hey, "professional" it is. Music's *subjective* anyway and there's a lot of other things that go into that package like marketing and presenting yourself as a hopefully friendly person who knows how to work the crowd and sign autographs (LOL) and get along with others in the long-term, but yeah . . .

I make little or no differentiation for skill between the two.

Just my lil' take on it

A lot of times "amateur" mixes are better than pro because some of the so called "amateur" djs mix because they love doing it and not just for the money and fame.

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Originally posted by Digital Rain A lot of times "amateur" mixes are better than pro because some of the so called "amateur" djs mix because they love doing it and not just for the money and fame.

Agree wholeheartedly -- some of the time, anyway because often there are other circumstances... Pros often find themselves in a situation where they are contractually obligated and downright pressured to be profitable, so in the crunch of time, they slap their name on projects or rush through stuff without much discretion.

But yeah, I agree... you gotta have the LOVE... the passion... the drive... like they say,

Hungriest dog gets the food!

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Originally posted by aspergian Agree wholeheartedly -- some of the time, anyway because often there are other circumstances... Pros often find themselves in a situation where they are contractually obligated and downright pressured to be profitable, so in the crunch of time, they slap their name on projects or rush through stuff without much discretion. But yeah, I agree... you gotta have the LOVE... the passion... the drive... like they say, Hungriest dog gets the food!

If you chose djing as your profession you will definitely have to follow more rules than somebody doing it as a hobby. I know djs that play nothing but commercial mtv style crap and cheese radio tunes simply because that's what the people want to hear in the clubs they work in. If they'll start playing something those people don't approve of and the owners of those clubs will notice empty floor and people leaving the club those djs will lose their jobs.

It's quite a bit easier to make a good set when you have a lot of time to plan it and rehearse the mixing like amateurs do. Meanwhile, "pro" DJ's mix multiple times per week. They don't have the time to plan out what they do, normally - and when they do, it's a great mix CD like Ahead 1, far better than most amateur attempts.

Yeah, good points. Not only "trance" is segregated but modern radio formats, and for sure, clubs have "hip-hop" nights that may focus on a certain type of that music, or I've seen "progressive trance" nights too... but when a DJ like James Holden or James Zabiela comes 'round to open things up again, that's a real breath of fresh air. Of course, some of what they do will eventually be worked into a derivative formula by others, but that's the way things go, and the music moves on.

Some people have a real knack for working under pressure though -- you know, as cool as computer step-time CJing (Computer Jockeying ) may be, the live and realtime performance aspect is a real artform, just like live performance of "traditional" musical instruments, and that's always going to be a constant. So a DJ who can do both is doubly blessed... I have great admiration for skillful live mixing, I recall Richie Hawtin -- a mixing machine, and this wasn't even one of his Final Scratch sets!!

go download my mix in the amateur section

That's when I think, oh yeah, most amateur DJ's on TA aren't and will ever be as good as Dave Clarke, Chris Liebing, Carl Cox, Richie Hawtin, Laurent Garnier, etc...

Usually the only difference between "pro" and "amateur" djs is that the "pros" get the newest tracks very early compared to "amateurs".. Technically there's usually not a very big difference between an "amateur" and a "pro"..

There are DJ's on this very site that are much more talented than your Ferry Corsten's, Armin's, Tiesto's etc.

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Originally posted by Wretched It's quite a bit easier to make a good set when you have a lot of time to plan it and rehearse the mixing like amateurs do. Meanwhile, "pro" DJ's mix multiple times per week. They don't have the time to plan out what they do, normally - and when they do, it's a great mix CD like Ahead 1, far better than most amateur attempts.

Yeah, that's basically what I was going to say. Most "pro-dj" sets suffer because they've usually been recorded from a live event and then broadcast on the radio (so the sound quality suffers twice) and the usual pressures of a live event (keeping the crowd interested, coping with nerves and unfamiliar equipment and only getting one shot at getting it right) mean that the mixing/set-structure aren't always 100%. None of these pressures exist in the bedroom where these "amateur" demo mixes are being recorded, which is why you often end up with a much higher (almost CD) quality at the end of it.

I'm starting to get into genres of music that are poorly represented by radio time and big-name DJs (like tech-house, deep-house, electro etc.) so probably 70%+ of the sets I download are from amateur - or at least poorly known - DJs. Just because the set doesn't have a big name attached to it, it doesn't mean that it isn't worth your time. In fact, like others here have said, often the amateur sets are far superior to the live pro-dj ones for the reasons I've just been through.

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Originally posted by CKYTEP go download my mix in the amateur section

what kind of music is it?

I love listening to amateur DJ sets....except one problem. They all seemed to have the same box full of records.

actually most of the amateur mixes are pretty crappy. most of them try and copy either armin or markus schulz's style in their track selection. the few that don't do that are good though.

Depends what you mean by amature, like the guy above alot of people try to copy pro's but then again the amatures today are the pros tommorow

word. let's not forget that armin and the markus schulz of the world were "amateur" once.

Re: WTF, Why is it I like sets mixed my ametuer DJ's from this site more than "pros"?

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Originally posted by shanehanner I rarely ever hear a badass set anymore, nothing is my taste, and I download like 5 sets a day. I downloaded a few sets off Delerium2k on the amatuer DJ section and I am in love with them. The last set I remember liking was oakenfold @ shadow lounge. I dont know whats going on anymore.

I liked that set as well...

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