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Denon DNS 3000 Vs. Pioneer CDJ 800 Working Thread

Ok i am selling a pair of brand new Denon's 3000 and some passed a comment on how the Pioneer CDJ 800's were so much better....

I think the 3000's are more pratical for the price for a couple reaons

1-pitch bend buttons on 3000
2-Reads Mp3's ...a nice bonus on 3000
3-cd text display....i forget if the 800's have that...i don't think so


so whats your opinions...we'd like to know

please only comment if u have experience on both units.

1. pitch bend buttons are sooo unnecessary when u have a wheel
2. bleh, i'd rather have 4 cds with WAVs then 1 with MP3s (too much to keep track of)
3. if you're playing a song, you should know what it sounds like (eliminating the need for a text display)

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Originally posted by Max Thomson 1. pitch bend buttons are sooo unnecessary when u have a wheel

Id argue the wheel is unnecessary when you have a small jog dial and bend buttons.
This is one thing that really pisses me off with the CDJ 1000s- retarded design omission.

cdj1000s are similar to cdj800s- so this thread goes for both really.

Pitch bend buttons on cd decks are very useful for speedy and accurate initial pitching too.
Even the new pioneer twin deck has a jog and bend buttons- for people who have been using cd players for years and are used to the bend buttons and can use them quickly and properly, the large wheels are a pain in the ass.
I severely fucked a mix on saturday- as the cdj 1000s were in instead of the twin deck pioneer- its just more unneeded effort and not as accurate using the wheel-i havent trainwrecked at work in years.

It is nothing like vinyl-i dont give a flying crap if anyone argues with me- this is my opinion. Takes twice as long to pitch with them, and having to wind the wheel backwards to slow it down is retarded. There is no feel to it. (youve started me off on one now lol)

Waveform display is useless if you know your records anyway, scratching is appallingly bad, also very difficult to do properly with a static platter.

Mp3s are shit on the denons- you cant cue point on them accurately and they skip. Also a fantastic way to promote downloading and playing illegal material- not to mention the fact MP3s sound shite on a club system.

This whole vinyl emulation thing is like designing a false leg for people who already have two fully functioning ones- totally pointless.

Therefore- i stand by my statement that cdj1000s/800s are utter wank and (still) the best cd player for club use is the Denon 2600F.

Flame suit on and ready for action.

(apologies im in a really really foul mood...lol )

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Originally posted by Max Thomson 1. pitch bend buttons are sooo unnecessary when u have a wheel 2. bleh, i'd rather have 4 cds with WAVs then 1 with MP3s (too much to keep track of) 3. if you're playing a song, you should know what it sounds like (eliminating the need for a text display)

whether u want use those options or not..at least i have them....what do the 800's offer?

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Originally posted by Freak Mp3s are shit on the denons- you cant cue point on them accurately and they skip. Also a fantastic way to promote downloading and playing illegal material- not to mention the fact MP3s sound shite on a club system.

very true.....but i'd rather have it then not @ all!

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Originally posted by Freak Id argue the wheel is unnecessary when you have a small jog dial and bend buttons. This is one thing that really pisses me off with the CDJ 1000s- retarded design omission. cdj1000s are similar to cdj800s- so this thread goes for both really. Pitch bend buttons on cd decks are very useful for speedy and accurate initial pitching too. Even the new pioneer twin deck has a jog and bend buttons- for people who have been using cd players for years and are used to the bend buttons and can use them quickly and properly, the large wheels are a pain in the ass. I severely fucked a mix on saturday- as the cdj 1000s were in instead of the twin deck pioneer- its just more unneeded effort and not as accurate using the wheel-i havent trainwrecked at work in years. It is nothing like vinyl-i dont give a flying crap if anyone argues with me- this is my opinion. Takes twice as long to pitch with them, and having to wind the wheel backwards to slow it down is retarded. There is no feel to it. (youve started me off on one now lol) Waveform display is useless if you know your records anyway, scratching is appallingly bad, also very difficult to do properly with a static platter. Mp3s are shit on the denons- you cant cue point on them accurately and they skip. Also a fantastic way to promote downloading and playing illegal material- not to mention the fact MP3s sound shite on a club system. This whole vinyl emulation thing is like designing a false leg for people who already have two fully functioning ones- totally pointless. Therefore- i stand by my statement that cdj1000s/800s are utter wank and (still) the best cd player for club use is the Denon 2600F. Flame suit on and ready for action. (apologies im in a really really foul mood...lol )

i normally dont agree with people that bash CDJ-800s/1000s, but at least this man knows something good when he sees it. 2600F is just sweet. i do prefer CDJs, but since those are out of the question to you, at least you know a good choice.

if you constantly find yourself riding back and forth between bpms that are right next to each other(for instance 4.3 and 4.4) throughout the whole mix, is that the problem with cd players?
Because, I have had this problem with dual cd decks like denons but less frequently with the pioneers or the s3000s

Re: Denon DNS 3000 Vs. Pioneer CDJ 800 Working Thread

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Originally posted by djtrinity Ok i am selling a pair of brand new Denon's 3000 and some passed a comment on how the Pioneer CDJ 800's were so much better.... I think the 3000's are more pratical for the price for a couple reaons 1-pitch bend buttons on 3000 2-Reads Mp3's ...a nice bonus on 3000 3-cd text display....i forget if the 800's have that...i don't think so so whats your opinions...we'd like to know please only comment if u have experience on both units.

Nice subtle way of a sales plug




haha just kidding man

Oh i can use them- dont get me wrong.
I just dont like using them, and the amount of extra effort it takes to get the same result and given the choice, id rather use something else.

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Originally posted by Freak It is nothing like vinyl-i dont give a flying crap if anyone argues with me- this is my opinion. Takes twice as long to pitch with them, and having to wind the wheel backwards to slow it down is retarded. There is no feel to it. (youve started me off on one now lol)

since you're winding the wheel backwards that suggests you had the thing in cdj mode, not vinyl emulation mode, which would probably explain why it was nothing like vinyl.

I love the pitch bend buttons on my s3000's..... if it's just a little off those buttons sure come in handy... and you can barely hear any bend when you use them...

This is one of the reasons I bought the 3000s over the cdj800s... Plus I like the feel of the spinning platter better and the layout of the sampler and loop functions better....

I record all my vinyl to cd so I can carry more tracks around and the CD text does come in handy when I'm looking for a track real quick...

The only thing I use the mp3 for is acapellas... I put all my acapellas on a few cds and keep one cd player loaded with 1 at all times...

I currently own an s3000 and a Pioneer cdj1000 MK2. Honestly, I absolutely hate the Denon...never use it. The moving platter is absolutely useless. I hate the Denon's cue functioning compared to the Pioneer's. The Denon has an extremely accurate pitch step up to a whopping 4%, and then after that you're left with a .1% step which just doesn't cut it. I hate the feel of the pitch slider on the Denon deck in comparison to the Pioneer... I'm also a bigger fan of the large jog wheel on the Pioneers as opposed to the diny little pitch bend buttons on the Denon. Pioneer all the way. if anyone wants to buy my Denon for $400 it's all yours. It's 3 months old and I never use it. lol

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Originally posted by zizack I currently own an s3000 and a Pioneer cdj1000 MK2. Honestly, I absolutely hate the Denon...never use it. The moving platter is absolutely useless. I hate the Denon's cue functioning compared to the Pioneer's. The Denon has an extremely accurate pitch step up to a whopping 4%, and then after that you're left with a .1% step which just doesn't cut it. I hate the feel of the pitch slider on the Denon deck in comparison to the Pioneer... I'm also a bigger fan of the large jog wheel on the Pioneers as opposed to the diny little pitch bend buttons on the Denon. Pioneer all the way. if anyone wants to buy my Denon for $400 it's all yours. It's 3 months old and I never use it. lol

curious, where do you live? i was looking for a half way decent cd deck that has mp3 playback.

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Originally posted by dj chex curious, where do you live? i was looking for a half way decent cd deck that has mp3 playback.

NJ

points well taken .... i still feel u get more for your money with the denon ...and its more versatile because it fits more ways a dj spins then dictating he must only use the platter....i have a heavy hand and pitch bend buttons are alot smoother for me personally...also i guess it has to do alot with personal choice..i would rather have the choice to use either...someone said earliar...how the cd text wasn't important and it really isn't i guess but it sure comes in handy when things have to be done quick.....

from what i have heard so far i see no advantages of the 800 over 3000 .....i only see advantages of the 3000 over 800.

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Originally posted by djtrinity points well taken .... i still feel u get more for your money with the denon ...and its more versatile because it fits more ways a dj spins then dictating he must only use the platter....i have a heavy hand and pitch bend buttons are alot smoother for me personally...also i guess it has to do alot with personal choice..i would rather have the choice to use either...someone said earliar...how the cd text wasn't important and it really isn't i guess but it sure comes in handy when things have to be done quick.....

wait, by cd text do you mean wave text? I have a s3000 and, unless i'm goign crazy, it doesn't have that feature.

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Originally posted by zizack wait, by cd text do you mean wave text? I have a s3000 and, unless i'm goign crazy, it doesn't have that feature.

when i put cd's it reads the title name track whatever...that are not mp3's

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Originally posted by zizack wait, by cd text do you mean wave text? I have a s3000 and, unless i'm goign crazy, it doesn't have that feature.

Depending on your cd burner & software. If it's fairly new cd-r drive and you put the check (in Nero I guess) to write the tracks name, it'll burn your cd with what ever you type in the text field for that track. ex. "Paul Van Dyk - Angle (xxx bmp)" and that's exactly what'll show on display. It's a fucking sweet feature and just that by itself is enough to make me wanne piss on 800s. I'm sick of people bitching about how 800s are better than 3000s. I've used them both and hands down denon is the better player. You don't like the spinning platter? fine, turn it off. It's good to know you can dump a bunch of MP3s on a CD-RW, put it in 3000 and have fun in your room without wasting a blank cd. Yeah, we get it, mp3s don't sound good in clubs but in a small party, or in your room, who the hell cares really? burn, play, erase, burn, play, erase, ...

3000s are newer than the cdj800s with more features, better feel (imo), and for practically same price !! it's funny, I think some people just don't wanne admit what they bought 2-3 years ago, with today's standards, are getting obsolete. I'd toss my 3000s out the window in a heart beat if I had a pair of Pioneer DVJ-X1. Till then, I'm sticking to my denons.

how about buying the cds instead of burning them?!

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You don't like the spinning platter? fine, turn it off

You could turn it off?

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Originally posted by bluu You could turn it off?

yes you can turn it off.

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Originally posted by bluu You could turn it off?

Like pumavisor808 said, yes you can. Press and hold the scratch mode button for 2 sec and it'll stop spinning. Or with no cd in the player, hold the preset for 2 sec till you get into setup menu and you can change all sorts of settings from there including turn platter off at start.

wait, can you turn the platter off and use it as a pitch bender like the Pioneer? I didn't think that was an option, but if it is, I would have a different outlook on the player as a whole.

Yup, it's your choice whether you want it spinning or not. When it's off, it'll work like any other CD player with a jog wheel.

only works like any other platter, if the scratch function is turned off, whether platter is set to off or not.

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