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Posted by hooknife on Jun-02-2004 15:36:

DigiScratch is $1200.00 !!!!!!!

I cant beleive that they are charging $1200.00 for this when you can buy Rane/Serato Scratch for $530.00.

DigiScratch - http://www.bpmdigitaldjgear.com/pro...products_id/120

Rane/Serato Scratch - http://www.rane.com/scratch.html


Posted by Wildfir3 on Jun-02-2004 15:42:

hehe that's even more expensive than finalscratch :')


Posted by sandstorm03 on Jun-02-2004 15:43:

i think it goes hand in hand with everything else in life, you pay for what u get. I havnt used anything like that, to tell the difference.

But i dont see it any different from just different brands, different mixers, different cd players, or anything else in life. A corvette goes for 50k, and a Ferarri goes for 300k. Its probably just a matter of opinion for a lot of people. Im sure if 1 does better then the other. The other will surely drop in price.

$1200 is still cheaper then 2 cdj 1000's even 800's for that matter.


Posted by Wildfir3 on Jun-02-2004 15:47:

True, but the production cost of a CDJ is probably about 10 times the production cost of a digiscratch packet.

Dunno, it's just too goddamn expensive


Posted by sandstorm03 on Jun-02-2004 15:53:

Vinyl is fuckin expnsive , but i still love it.


Posted by razzi on Jun-02-2004 16:41:

quote:
Originally posted by sandstorm03
Vinyl is fuckin expnsive , but i still love it.


damn right


Posted by nmcog on Jun-02-2004 23:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfir3
True, but the production cost of a CDJ is probably about 10 times the production cost of a digiscratch packet.


Research & Development costs money and time


Posted by nmcog on Jun-03-2004 03:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Nou
becasue FS is a peace of shit software (and hardware) wise.


The hardware has problems, but whats wrong with Traktor FS 1.5.x?

quote:

1000$ sounds like a lot, but that box looks pretty professional compared to the Serato and FS boxs.


If Final Scratch is good enough for the "professional" DJs like Paul Van Dyk, then its good enough for any DJ.


Posted by Choobak on Jun-03-2004 04:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Nou
The hardware is crap too, PvD uses strictly AIFF, but if you want to spin normal vinyl through it, it picks up alot of noise, even with all the grounding issues solved. The hardware is just not that great.


yup.. i can hear activity on my usb hub when i use finalscratch on my desktop... when i start moving my usb mouse i get crazy static...

no static on a powerbook though...


Posted by Wildfir3 on Jun-03-2004 04:45:

quote:
Originally posted by nmcog
Research & Development costs money and time


what are you saying? Same thing goes for the cd players, so i call bullshit argument


Posted by nmcog on Jun-03-2004 08:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Wildfir3
what are you saying? Same thing goes for the cd players, so i call bullshit argument


Applications like Final Scratch are fairly new.

But with CD Players: more manufacturers, more models, more sales, more experience, more competition, more mature products, etc.


Posted by opianstate on Jun-03-2004 10:45:

Final Scratch 1.1 straight up didnt work on my "compatible" laptop. Neither did 1.0. 1.5 did but it was impossible to spin on because of 1+ second cutouts, along with horrible sound quality. 1.1 did work on my tower, and very well, but it was worthless because I had to tote my tower everywhere. Support for it was ridiculous, it was so bad that they developed a forum soley because there were no responses from the company concerning problem inquiries. Seriously, if anyone doubts that FS wasn't a piece, PM me and I'll give you my story along with countless others. Don't get me wrong, I still love the idea, and think its revolutionary, but get it right stanton. You had a few tries.


Posted by nmcog on Jun-03-2004 10:57:

I've never used anything pre version 1.5
so i can't comment about that. Neither do I want to since Linux is a piece of shit.

Mine works fine except:

1) sometimes there is no audio from Deck A when I switch it on but strangely Deck B is fine. Fixed by turning off ScratchAmp for a few minutes.

2) sound distortion once in every ~100hours. Fixed by turning off ScratchAmp for a few minutes.

Usage: 4-8hours/day, everyday.

If the new Final Scratch fixes all current hardware problems with the ScratchAmp and stops using those shitty Philips chips that cause problems, I will buy it.


Posted by hooknife on Jun-03-2004 16:57:

I have Rane Scratch and that works damn good.


Posted by auujay on Jun-03-2004 17:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Choobak
yup.. i can hear activity on my usb hub when i use finalscratch on my desktop... when i start moving my usb mouse i get crazy static...

no static on a powerbook though...


Your USB hub probobly cannot handle the bandwidth required. FS is sending lots of data over the USB cable (it must be coming close to maxing out the capacity as it is not using USB 2.0).


Posted by Wildfir3 on Jun-03-2004 17:34:

quote:
Originally posted by nmcog
Usage: 4-8hours/day, everyday.


u a pro dj?


Posted by nmcog on Jun-03-2004 17:37:

Nope, just too much love for my "hobby"


Posted by Choobak on Jun-03-2004 22:52:

quote:
Originally posted by auujay
Your USB hub probobly cannot handle the bandwidth required. FS is sending lots of data over the USB cable (it must be coming close to maxing out the capacity as it is not using USB 2.0).


That may be but it's highly unlikely... It's all in the math...

The usb connection between scratch amp and the usb hub has to handle 4 streams of data: 2 incoming and two outgoing.
Let's just assume each is raw PCM data (worst-case scenario).

44.1kHz sampling rate * 16-bits per sample * 1 second = 705600 bits/second

705600/8 = 88200 bytes/second

88200/1024 = 86 kilobytes/second

So that's 86k/sec per stream. 2 streams read, two streams written. Under 350k/sec total.

USB 1.0 has 11 Megabits of throughput. Just do the math:

11 Megabits / 8 = 1.375 megabytes/second

So that leaves a whole meg of bandwidth for any other devices I have. Which happens to be just a mouse in my case; not exaclty the biggest bandwidth hog ever...

So, it seems the more likely case is that NI decided to release a product without proper shielding... unsurprisingly so...


Posted by Wildfir3 on Jun-03-2004 22:52:

quote:
Originally posted by nmcog
Nope, just too much love for my "hobby"


that's great, wish i had the time



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