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Posted by Jayx1 on Jun-05-2004 16:31:

Liberals and Conservatives virtually tied in national poll

I think Lie-berals are about to go DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN!

Its about freakin time.... BRING IT ON!!!

Posted by DJ Ski on Jun-05-2004 19:07:

I find how the liberals are now Team Martin laughable.

Posted by starsearcher on Jun-05-2004 19:42:

I don't like anything that the conservatives are offering - don't really see this a reason to celebrate...Two biggest parties are both crap...

Posted by DJ Ski on Jun-05-2004 19:59:

Posted by richard raiban on Jun-05-2004 20:41:

goooooooooooooooo layton & the ndp!!!

Posted by Jayx1 on Jun-05-2004 20:44:

The day the NDP take power is the day i move to North Korea..

LOL

Posted by Jayx1 on Jun-05-2004 20:53:

quote:
Originally posted by starsearcher
I don't like anything that the conservatives are offering - don't really see this a reason to celebrate...Two biggest parties are both crap...

Harper unrolled his platform today. 2 things that will benefit me right away. 1) tax cuts. I figure they will more than make up for the damage mcguinty did to my paycheque. And i dont feel bad about it either considering Mcguinty is raping my salary in the name of health care so im already doing my part 2) increasing the personal income exemption limit which means we all will not be paying income tax at all on a larger portion of our salary.

I also like his idea of simplifying the process of recognizing immigrant degrees. This if anything is a great way to help solve health care problem as we have thousands of qualified doctors and nurses right under our noses.

What i dont like about the Lie-berals (other than the lies and corruption that is)

1) national social day care. First they promised this in 1993 and still havnt delivered on it. (they must think we are ALL stupid). Second, everyone is crying poor and saying we need to increase taxes for health care blah blah blah yet we have money to do this? Either this means that taxes will go up for this as well or someone is lying about our state of affairs.

2) The fact that they are pretending to be the saviours of health care yet they are the party that cut health care funding to the provinces by over 80%. Again, do you really think we are that stupid Mr Martin?

Posted by Jayx1 on Jun-05-2004 21:00:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Ski
I find how the liberals are now Team Martin laughable.

Notice how the Liberal logo is really small on those signs yet TEAM MARTIN is huge and in the place where traditionally the huge Liberal logo is supposed to go? I guess this shows that even the Liberals know that their own name and reputation is tarnished.

Posted by starsearcher on Jun-05-2004 21:43:

Well the conservatives seem to also stand firmly against gay marriaga and abortion...sure we all want tax cuts and healthcare -- but they are ALL promising that...i look at it from a much broader view -- seems like a lot of the issues aren't even mentioned. It seems like they all say what the public wants to hear.

I'd agree with Richard...as of right now Layton and the NDP appeal to me the most.

Like i said in some other post so far the conservatives are banking on the fact that the liberals have all this corruption but in reality haven't introduced anything new really...I say they all crap still

Posted by Matt on Jun-06-2004 04:43:

Ipsos-Reid Survey Result (because SOURCES are what count)

Liberals: 32%
Conservatives: 31%
NDP: 17%
Bloc: 11%
Green: 6%

SOURCE: http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968793972154

well, it's to early to say. I think that the Liberals will gain some momentum in the next few weeks, and it will be a Liberal minority government - and that would give the NDP some hefty power in the House.

Posted by Jayx1 on Jun-06-2004 16:15:

right now its anybody's race. Harper's platform which he revealed on Friday looks pretty good to me. I think it will get him even more votes. And for the record Harper ois not against gay marriage. He's against calling it marriage. He would grant them the same exact rights as married people except it would be called a civil union. Id say thats a fair comprimise.

Posted by ShadoWolf on Jun-06-2004 16:33:

I think the NDP have totally lost it. They could have had 60 seats, but then they did the following:

1) Proposed a 50% inheritence tax on estates more than $1,000,000. That hits middle-class Canadians the hardest.

2) 100% tax on capital.

3) And now this...

Posted by b4k-oz on Jun-06-2004 17:10:

quote:
Originally posted by starsearcher
Well the conservatives seem to also stand firmly against gay marriaga and abortion...sure we all want tax cuts and healthcare -- but they are ALL promising that...i look at it from a much broader view -- seems like a lot of the issues aren't even mentioned. It seems like they all say what the public wants to hear.

I'd agree with Richard...as of right now Layton and the NDP appeal to me the most.

Like i said in some other post so far the conservatives are banking on the fact that the liberals have all this corruption but in reality haven't introduced anything new really...I say they all crap still

Ditto!
You forgot to mention that the Conservatives want to bring back Capital Punishment (Death Penalty) which goes agains our Canadian Charter of Human Rights and Freedom. I think this move is worse than being against gay marriage rights.

Vote NDP to ensure that they are the opposition!!!! Go NDP, Go

Posted by UWO Tranceaddict on Jun-06-2004 17:18:

Posted by TrueToTheCrew on Jun-06-2004 17:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
Notice how the Liberal logo is really small on those signs yet TEAM MARTIN is huge and in the place where traditionally the huge Liberal logo is supposed to go? I guess this shows that even the Liberals know that their own name and reputation is tarnished.

You can credit McGuinty for that one

Posted by TrueToTheCrew on Jun-06-2004 17:50:

Its kinda shitty that out of all the G8 countries, Canada is the only one that has as many consecutive balanced budgets, which harper will ruin. U.K. and US are studying our platform so the can integrate it to theirs. Deficits are not good for anyone.

Allot of people are hanging the liberals but in hindsight, when the states was going through a "recession", we had economic growth. What happened to the states gets a cold, and we catch pnemonia. So, the fed liberals did fuk up. Chretien did waiste millions, but remember, paul martin did not become rich by waisting money. I have restored faith in martin's vision and believe he knows what hes doing with cash even though he was finance minister during those scandals. This election will humble the arrogance of the grits.

I do like some things Harper stands for, but in the long run, i dont want to pledge my legions to the stars and stripes. <-- (i kinda like that line )

Posted by malek on Jun-06-2004 18:23:

anyone but the cons...

damn, some people live in a bubble it seems, doesn't anyone know that Canada can't afford everything at once?!?!?!... cut taxes, then a year or two down the road and we're back into deficit. Then guess what! they'll cut the social programs

its always the same with the cons, look it up all over the world.

Posted by j_spot on Jun-06-2004 18:27:

Im an albertan who considers himself right wing.

and I would NEVER vote conservative!

Posted by TrueToTheCrew on Jun-06-2004 19:02:

quote:
Originally posted by j_spot
Im an albertan who considers himself right wing.

and I would NEVER vote conservative!

Thats actually encouraging

Posted by Jayx1 on Jun-06-2004 22:42:

I dont think Harper is about to alter the charter so he can bring in capital punishment. To alter the charter youd need to approval of every province.

As for his personal views. Chretien was a devout catholic but he didnt change the social structure of Canada to support his views did he? Painting Harper as some sort of religious nut is the greatest Liberal spin ever. I just hope people arent dumb enough to buy it.

Posted by baystreetboi on Jun-06-2004 23:19:

quote:
Originally posted by b4k-oz
Ditto!
You forgot to mention that the Conservatives want to bring back Capital Punishment (Death Penalty) which goes agains our Canadian Charter of Human Rights and Freedom. I think this move is worse than being against gay marriage rights.

Vote NDP to ensure that they are the opposition!!!! Go NDP, Go

Odd... After reviewing the "Official" Conservative platform that was release this weekend, there is absolutely ZERO mention of any idea / plan / thought of implementing capital punishment. Rather, there are plans to remove the "Faint Hope" clause, statutory early releases, and a move to make serious, violent sentences to be served consecutively, not concurrently.

"Conservatives will re-instate capital punishment"... yet another example of Liberal / NDP / left-wing / what have you fear-mongering propaganda.

Posted by Jayx1 on Jun-06-2004 23:21:

Exactly.... and sadly people buy into it.

I wont fall for it. Harper is looking better and better everyday. At least the guy seems willing to take on the serious issues that everyone else wishes to ignore.

Posted by ShadoWolf on Jun-06-2004 23:29:

quote:
Originally posted by UWO Tranceaddict
true dat!!

If Harper wins, it will be the worst thing to ever happen to Canada.
Everything Canada has done to establish an identity if its own will be thrown away in lieu of trying to be just like the USA.

He wont win though, not a chance.

Noone in the world knows or cares about Canada.

That's the sad truth.

Posted by ShadoWolf on Jun-06-2004 23:40:

Posted by baystreetboi on Jun-06-2004 23:43:

quote:
Originally posted by ShadoWolf
The Charter doesn't mention the death penalty.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/charter/

The arguement people would make is under clause 12: "Everyone has the right not to be subjected to any cruel and unusual treatment or punishment."

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