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Posted by freshBlueO2 on Jun-09-2004 14:57:

So, I wanna be a DJ :D

No, not a like any of the big names out there. I'm not that good. In fact I have never even started. I'm not looking for help on equipment, style, etc. I'm actually looks for help on legal stuff.

My wife and I have talked about getting our own reception hall for decorating weddings, etc. It's just talk. But my part would be doing the dance, lights, show, etc. So here's the question:

When it come to Trance, what is legal? How do I support the artists, or what's the best way to get a selection. I've been told everything of TA singles is legal to download. Can I DJ them then? I'm not looking big bucks either, but it would be nice to make a little more than just enough to cover the costs. So how do I conpensate the other artists that I've played?

Another confusion. When I like what a DJ has done, I'll look at his/her tracks to find the artist, for example I find ATB. When I look up ATB it turns out that ATB has mixed his music with some others that are not his own. Sometime the previous artist I was just listening too in the first place. vice versa. It's like a looping cirle. Does the RIAA fit into any of this? So again, how/who do I support without double paying ?!

I'm not talking about rock, rap, country, etc. Just Trance. But then there are those like Sarah Mclaughlin, Paul Oakenfold, Bjork, etc. So mayabe it does fit, I don't know. Help ?!

Posted by Kamikaze Badger on Jun-09-2004 15:14:

Since singles made by TA's here aren't copyrighted, you can spin them. Best to get permission first, because the RIAA may come along and try to copyright them so they can get more money .

And as long as you PURCHASE copyrighted music, even if it's a mix/remix, you have all rights to play it.

Posted by Spad on Jun-09-2004 16:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Kamikaze Badger
Since singles made by TA's here aren't copyrighted, you can spin them. Best to get permission first, because the RIAA may come along and try to copyright them so they can get more money .

And as long as you PURCHASE copyrighted music, even if it's a mix/remix, you have all rights to play it.

Those two paragraphs contain the most bullshit I've ever seen. And I used to volunteer on a farm when I was a kid.

If you want to play something you've downloaded from the amature forums then PM the producer and ask if it's OK. I'm pretty confident that 90% of the time there wont be a problem, but it's wrong to say that they are not copyrighted. I know of at least one person who copyrights all their work (although I doubt he'd have a problem people playing them out).

And I don't know where the notion that the Recording Industry Association of America can go round copyrighting stuff at will???

Posted by d-jay MyTH on Jun-09-2004 18:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Spad
Those two paragraphs contain the most bullshit I've ever seen. And I used to volunteer on a farm when I was a kid.

If you want to play something you've downloaded from the amature forums then PM the producer and ask if it's OK. I'm pretty confident that 90% of the time there wont be a problem, but it's wrong to say that they are not copyrighted. I know of at least one person who copyrights all their work (although I doubt he'd have a problem people playing them out).

And I don't know where the notion that the Recording Industry Association of America can go round copyrighting stuff at will???

Hate to get all pedantic and shit but i'll say it anyway.

I'm a trainee solicitor, I've read intellectual property law and commercial law: You don't 'copyright your work'.

Everyone has copyright in any piece of music they create providing certain requirements are met.

1/The work must be original; it must be the author's own work and not copied from elsewhere.

2/There must be a minimum amount of effort that went into the work. In reality this is very easy to show and even the tiniest pieces of music attract copyright for example the ding-ding noises that are on every intel inside pentium computer advert.

3/It must be recorded and in a 'tangible form'.

Providing those requirements are met copyright will automatically subsist in the work.

Therefore you have the right to stop anyone infringing your copyright. for example using your work in the public domain.

So, in short, you should get permission from TA's before you use their work or a substantial part of during a public performance.
Upon getting their permission they waive their copyright against you and effectively give you a licence to use their work in public.

Posted by tu_face on Jun-09-2004 19:16:

kamikaze badger is very much mistaken thinking that tracks coming from the producers forum (especially those that are a good enough to be played out) are not copyrighted. they generally are copyrighted, its up to the individual. i'm not going to get into legalities, but if you can prove a date of originality (there are many ways which you can do this, again i'm not going to go into it.) and it fits the criteria above, then the track is copyrighted. laws regarding copyright can vary from country to country though so its best to make sure you check it out well, for example, in the US i think it has to be registered at some form of agency or something.. but in other coutries, copyright laws are virtually none-existant.

but yes, pm the producer and get their permission, that way you are not breaking the law, and you also have morals.

regarding other tracks, if you are going to play out, buy your music. if you buy it on vinyl (or for that matter any other medium, so long as you have paid), and you are playing in an establishment with a PRS license (or whatever the equivelent is in your country) then you are not breaking the law.

with regards to the tracks available for download on this website, the labels have given permission for these to be available for download. but however, i am not sure if you are in turn breaking the law if you copy them yourself onto a cd, because you are copying without permission. i know if you have bought the vinyl, you may make a reasonable amount of copies for your own use i.e. djing out if you use cd decks.. but you have actually paid for that right by buying the vinyl.

as far as equipment is concerned, use the search button in the DJ forum

Posted by dukes on Jun-09-2004 20:45:

quote:
Originally posted by tu_face
with regards to the tracks available for download on this website, the labels have given permission for these to be available for download. but however, i am not sure if you are in turn breaking the law if you copy them yourself onto a cd, because you are copying without permission. i know if you have bought the vinyl, you may make a reasonable amount of copies for your own use i.e. djing out if you use cd decks.. but you have actually paid for that right by buying the vinyl.

i wouldnt see the problem in burning to cd and using it as you could just as easy use a final scratch for playing the downloads out.

Posted by Spad on Jun-09-2004 21:56:

quote:
Originally posted by d-jay MyTH
Hate to get all pedantic and shit but i'll say it anyway.

Pedanticism excused as that was pretty useful stuff

My post was somewhere in the realm of beaver-shit then

Posted by Vert on Jun-10-2004 00:59:

Just a note: when you make something original such as written works, audio works, or artwork, the fact that you made it gives you the copyright for it. The reason you would need to apply for a copyright, is in the rare case that someone steals your work, you'd need to have it applied for should you need to go to court, so long as you can proove it was yours, and when.

There are quite a few sites on this topic, and if you are a producer I urge you to google for some.

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Posted by tu_face on Jun-10-2004 10:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Vert
Just a note: when you make something original such as written works, audio works, or artwork, the fact that you made it gives you the copyright for it.

correct, but if it came to a disagreement between two parties, dates of originality come into play, so checking out the laws in the specific country is paramount.

if you are a producer, there is a thread all about this kind of thing here

quote:
Originally posted by dukes
i wouldnt see the problem in burning to cd and using it as you could just as easy use a final scratch for playing the downloads out.

true, but on the other hand, when you don't buy music, you may not have the same rights to make reasonable copies/use for public performance..

i would be very careful either way!