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So you've got a tune cued up...

And when you're mixing it in you realise that it's gonna go out of sync. The crowd hasn't noticed yet so you're going to corrrect it. Just like all dj's but...

Would you rather have the record coming in too fast, or too slow?

I used to be able to correct faster records easier but at the mo I'm correcting slower records easier.

Re: So you've got a tune cued up...

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Originally posted by DJAntSmith And when you're mixing it in you realise that it's gonna go out of sync. The crowd hasn't noticed yet so you're going to corrrect it. Just like all dj's but... Would you rather have the record coming in too fast, or too slow? I used to be able to correct faster records easier but at the mo I'm correcting slower records easier.

Hmmm interesting question.

Not sure I look at it in the same way though. I tend to work more on the principle that I correct whichever record isn't responsible for the main part of what is being heard over the speakers.

I must admit though that I prefer records coming in too slow. Easier to correct in my opinion. Just wiggle the pitch and it's back. Don't have much of an issue either way though.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Just wiggle the pitch and it's back. Don't have much of an issue either way though.

No same here. Just sometimes it seems easier when its one or the other. I think you can tell if its gonna go out easier when its faster (the one coming in). But it's slightly easier to correct when its slightly slower.

nah, it's easier to correct when it's going too fast, because you can just drag your fingers on the pitch dots. this will uniformly slow it down (just make sure not to do it in the middle of a melody, strings, or vocals or something like that)

speeding it up is harder, because you need to push in the center of the the vinyl, and some records are slippier than others and it can screw you up.

Or, you could do it the proper way and pitch waggle it, but that never works well for me.

i'm with Briden on this one, i would rather have the incoming tune be too fast if its a record because for me its easier to slow it down than try and speed it up. if its a cd then i would rather have it be too slow because...... i dont know, its just easier for my ears to pick out and correct

ATM i am finding it hard to tell whether the track is too fast or slow, anyone got any methods on how to decide

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Originally posted by dartman i'm with Briden on this one, i would rather have the incoming tune be too fast if its a record because for me its easier to slow it down than try and speed it up. if its a cd then i would rather have it be too slow because...... i dont know, its just easier for my ears to pick out and correct

Eeeeeeek... They touch the platter!


Hey Moondog,
No major advice other than to practice and get used to hearing your tunes because that's how you learn to distinguish them from one another. Become familiar with the sounds in your tracks. Makes it easier but ultimately it's practice.

Cheers
Nem

i'd rather not have to correct anything mid-mix
but when i do have to correct mid-mix i just lightly drag my finger over the platter that's running too quick, unless there's a synth line or something that you'll hear change pitch slightly, then i'll flick the pitch up quick then back to where it was on the other track

It's easier when it's going too slow. Just a little push and they're back in sync. Slowing a record down doesn't always work for me, sometimes I press a little to hard which slows down the record alot making the gap alot worse then it was.

makes no difference

As soon as the bass eq of the incoming track is in full- i will switch to pfl'ing the then outgoing track.

I will always adjust the track that is not fully in yet- be that volume or eq wise, and it doesnt bother me if its fast or slow- minute adjustments using the pitch fader are barely noticeable.

Hmmm never really thought about it...

Usually I just fix whatever needs fixing... I guess if I had to choose I would prefer to speed up... I am use to my decks and I speed up by spinning the spindle... I NEVER touch my record to speed up... not during transistion atleast...
So I guess I would prefer to speed up compared to slow down.

Nemesis know how well my corrections can be...

good topic tho..

Cheers

For my decks, it�s not really an issue, just use the pitch to correct - though when I had my old belt drive decks I used to prefer speeding up to slowing down. However, my current CD players have only a 0.1% accuracy, so when I�m on them you have to make constant corrections and you can find the pitch point where it�s either too slow where it is, or it�s too fast on the next 0.1 up. I seem to find that I�m more comfortable speeding up with the CD players, than slowing down. Don�t know why that is though!

I'm not sure what's the "proper way" and stuff, but depending on my mood and just what I think of doing at the time I will either wiggle the pitch like Nem said or speed it up or slow it down by touching the vinyl center. I usually prefer the incoming track to be slower because it is easier for me to speed up. Honestly though, its not that big of a difference.

At this point, it doesn't really matter to me if it's slower or faster, so long as I can correct it without the adjustment being very noticeable.

I always try to adjust the speed of the track that is heard the least by the crowd, and I'm starting to work on doing as much of the corrections as possible with the pitch controls, but that skill definately takes time to develop.

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Originally posted by DJ Kibon At this point, it doesn't really matter to me if it's slower or faster, so long as I can correct it without the adjustment being very noticeable. I always try to adjust the speed of the track that is heard the least by the crowd, and I'm starting to work on doing as much of the corrections as possible with the pitch controls, but that skill definately takes time to develop.

I agree, using the pitch to adjust does take time and I think I'm getting pretty good at it now. I try to touch the platter as little as possible.

I'm not sure who said the use the spindle to speed it up but I know that if you do it too much it can damage the motor inside the turntable. It's better to follow the record around with your finger then just speed up slightly.

the brain can actually tell if something is slightly slower, more than it can tell if something is slightly faster.. depending on which way you look at it this can work two ways:

1) its coming in faster, the crowds brains don't realise for the above reason, you the dj can sort it out easier too (using the platter is a brilliant way of slowing a track down without it sounding too much like its happening.. high torque decks required tho otherwise disasters happen), but your pitch adjustments will be harder to make as you don't realise it's going out as quickly.

2) its coming in too slow, you the dj can make a better adjustment tempo-wise, as you can tell when/how far it needs adjusting a lot quicker. unfortunatly, because you can tell quicker, so can the crowd...


its a vicious circle

as far as tidy mixes are concerned, it is easier for me to slow a record down with the platter, as you can do it with your eyes closed.. but when beatmatching, its technically more precise to pitch it up.

to conclude: if its coming in too fast, or too slow, it fucks me off!

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Originally posted by tu_face to conclude: if its coming in too fast, or too slow, it fucks me off!

Word!

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Originally posted by DJ Lazy Usually I just fix whatever needs fixing... I guess if I had to choose I would prefer to speed up... I am use to my decks and I speed up by spinning the spindle... I NEVER touch my record to speed up... not during transistion atleast...

actually... you do. it's a theory of mine, and it seems correct through testing, when you use the spindle, you're not really moving the spindle, it is infact part of your finger dragging the vinyl making it go faster. try and use the spindle making sure you aren't touching the vinyl at all, and you'll notice it doesn't speed up. when i found this out, i said the hell with it and started using my fingers on the label for speed-ups. more precise too, imo.

i hope to learn to "pitch ride" soon. i can just never tell how far to move it, or put it back at the right spot.

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Originally posted by Inertia i hope to learn to "pitch ride" soon. i can just never tell how far to move it, or put it back at the right spot.

you never really "learn" to pitch ride.. i mean, there is no real formula for doing it, like if youre 1/2 a beat too slow you move it up 1% or something. its just something you pick up.. i went from always touching the vinyl and then using the pitch slider to exclusively riding the pitch in a day. sure the first few times werent too smooth, but after just a bit of practice, it comes really easily.

imo instead of just saying that you want to learn it, just try it. what can go wrong? you have 1 bad transition? big deal. try it again until you get it right, and reset the pitch each time so you know youre doing it on your own. it seems like a really ambiguous way of fixing a problem, but in the end you get better results.. good luck with it, once youve mastered it you'll never go back

razzi

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Originally posted by Inertia actually... you do. it's a theory of mine, and it seems correct through testing, when you use the spindle, you're not really moving the spindle, it is infact part of your finger dragging the vinyl making it go faster. try and use the spindle making sure you aren't touching the vinyl at all, and you'll notice it doesn't speed up. when i found this out, i said the hell with it and started using my fingers on the label for speed-ups. more precise too, imo. i hope to learn to "pitch ride" soon. i can just never tell how far to move it, or put it back at the right spot.

Actually, when speeding up, I sometimes spin the spindle round, and I know I don't touch the vinyl, next time you do it, watch the stobe, it speeds up, but anyway, I just correct whatever needs correcting, but if I had to choose, I would prolly go for slowing down, I have used the pitch before, but I dunno, just doesn't feel right, to each there own though.

I find slowing down easier b/c you can just lightyly touch the edge of the turntable and that will slow it down i just find that such a natural reflex for some reason.

I'd say slowing down. Just because for some transitions that I know are a bit fiddly (seems to go one way then the other, I know it doesn't really and I should just adjust but I like this way).

I like to rest my thumb on the platter (not really touching it just having the dots pass over) kind of and just get a feel for the sound and the amount of pressure I'm putting on the platter. I mean through the mix sometimes I'll just have the platter dots running over my thumb. Then if I need to I can relly feel how much pressure I'm putting on and be really gentle. It's kinda hard to describe.

But like Prodigy Child said when you speed up using the spindle I watch the dots on the platter because sometimes it seems to do alot then other times not so much. Not noticably soundwise but just by watching the dots.

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Originally posted by DJAntSmith I'm not sure who said the use the spindle to speed it up but I know that if you do it too much it can damage the motor inside the turntable. It's better to follow the record around with your finger then just speed up slightly.

Can anyone else comment on this one?

If you're using a direct drive turntable, such as Techs, how could tweaking the speed affect the motor?

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Originally posted by Briden nah, it's easier to correct when it's going too fast, because you can just drag your fingers on the pitch dots. this will uniformly slow it down (just make sure not to do it in the middle of a melody, strings, or vocals or something like that) speeding it up is harder, because you need to push in the center of the the vinyl, and some records are slippier than others and it can screw you up. Or, you could do it the proper way and pitch waggle it, but that never works well for me.

took the words right out of my mouth mate. perhaps one day I'll learn to ride the pitch instead of nudge though.

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Originally posted by razzi you never really "learn" to pitch ride.. i mean, there is no real formula for doing it, like if youre 1/2 a beat too slow you move it up 1% or something. its just something you pick up.. i went from always touching the vinyl and then using the pitch slider to exclusively riding the pitch in a day. sure the first few times werent too smooth, but after just a bit of practice, it comes really easily. imo instead of just saying that you want to learn it, just try it. what can go wrong? you have 1 bad transition? big deal. try it again until you get it right, and reset the pitch each time so you know youre doing it on your own. it seems like a really ambiguous way of fixing a problem, but in the end you get better results.. good luck with it, once youve mastered it you'll never go back razzi

true, i get what you're saying, it's just i'm still learning atm, and, i don't have my own setup atm either, so when i get to spin, i don't feel like experimenting so much as mixing a way i know i can. but as soon as god blesses me with a few bucks to get my own shit, and i don't sleep for a couple of days because i'm just contemplating the beauty of having a setup again in my room, and i finish just listening to the mass amount of vinyl i would buy, then, when i get to mixing, i'll definitely start experimenting with "pitch riding".

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