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Is the United States becoming a Monarchy?

I'm starting to get a weird feeling our country is turning into a Republican monarchy:

- George I followed by his son George II

- Close family like ties with another monarchy (the Saudi Royal Family)

- Our leader dressing up in a military uniform

- A President who wields unlimited powers

- An executive branch that rejects other branches of the government from checks and balances.

- The mixing of religion with government

- Our President alludes to conversations with God. Just when you thought the divine right of a king was over.

- A weeklong funeral ceremony fit for a king

- And now there�s a bill in congress to replace Andrew Jackson on the 20 with Reagan

eh, well the longest he can rule over us is 8 years. Plus there were about 8 years with clinton inbetween the bushes.

I guess it is more of rapid monarchies, which last either 4 or 8 years. then the new monarcher is in...hehe monarcher.


so get voting...for someone else.

awesome.

Long live the King!

You mean more like a dictatorship.

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Originally posted by Galapidate You mean more like a dictatorship.

You're right there isn't much difference between a King and a Dictator, but monarchies at least treat their serfs to a little pomp and pagentry that keeps them sastisfied with their lot in life.

Hey, I'm looking on the bright side, at least Bush doesn't have any sons to inherit the thrown.

One can only pray that in November he is sent packing. If he is a king then he is a poor excuse for one, he does have the whole starting an agressive war thing down pat though, just like many of those old European monarchies

get used to it.

...bow before the devine right and kiss the ring.

rise as his humble servant. the almighty commands it.

BWWAAHAAHAHAAHA

Re: Is the United States becoming a Monarchy?

The points you make are nothing new, have happened before, and in many cases are even less of an issue as they were 25, 50, or 100 years ago. It's merely the way the nation and its political system operates.

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Originally posted by igottaknow I'm starting to get a weird feeling our country is turning into a Republican monarchy: - George I followed by his son George II

John Adams was our second President, and John Quincy Adams was his son, who was our sixth President. Oh no! Stop the monarchy! The closest thing this nation ever came to a "monarchy" was the now-infamous Kennedy "Camelot," where the family could credit a President, two Governors, several Senators, and a bunch of representatives to its name.

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- Close family like ties with another monarchy (the Saudi Royal Family)

I suppose if you believe various far-left publications, you would think that the Bushes and the Saudis are inextricably linked. The only reason the interaction seems to be greater than with other monarchies is because the rulers of Saudi Arabia actually govern their country, so it is necessary to deal both diplomatically and politically with them. And it's a requirement that we deal because of the oil issue.

We'd have a pretty close relationship with the Queen too if she was both the monarch and the Prime Minister.

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- Our leader dressing up in a military uniform

No President has ever worn a military uniform while in office, even though they are entitled to by virtue of being Commander-in-Chief. Bush has donned fatigues, Army jackets, Navy jackets, etc. but so has every other President in modern times. These are not uniforms.

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- A President who wields unlimited powers

Sorry. Unqualified statement.

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- An executive branch that rejects other branches of the government from checks and balances.

Every President has sought to expand the power of the Presidency. (See FDR for the prime example). But every Congress has sought to expand the power of the legislative branch. And every judiciary seeks to expand their power as well. That why we have those things called checks and balances.

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- The mixing of religion with government

Religion in government is at its lowest point in our nation's history. At the turn of the century, when there was no welfare state, the government provided assistance to religious charities in order to provide basic social support programs.

Several Presidents had Sunday services for their families in the White House, and the House and Senate have always had a chaplain and an opening prayer.

Bush's "faith-based" initiatives are not a new idea. He's merely going back to an idea that hasn't been around for a while.

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- Our President alludes to conversations with God. Just when you thought the divine right of a king was over.

So, he goes to church? And he takes what he learns there as guidance. So do millions of Americans on a daily basis.

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- A weeklong funeral ceremony fit for a king

It's called a state funeral. We've been doing them for 200+ years, and Reagan got little more than what LBJ and JFK got at their state funerals. The only difference was that the week lasted longer because of the trips back and forth from California. But in California, those services were private. So you shouldn't concern yourself with that. Perhaps your issue is better taken up with the news media that made a big deal about covering it.

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- And now there�s a bill in congress to replace Andrew Jackson on the 20 with Reagan

So, what are you saying here? We should take all faces off our money? Because that's your implication. If you're saying that we should leave the faces as they are, then we're treating those already on the money as "kings." I'm sorry that you've never had a recent Democratic President worthy enough for the Democratic party to push for some lasting tribute.

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Originally posted by igottaknow I'm starting to get a weird feeling our country is turning into a Republican monarchy:

I'd say we're closer to a corporate oligarchy, as corporations and the state have melded as one.

This situation we're in now isn't new, and we've in fact faced it before at other times in American history.

Tom Delay for example faces a possible 2-10 years in prison for funneling corporate money to political candidates in Texas:


http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/t...pt324_full.html


In return, Delay grants the corporations special favors and pork subsidies.

Bush does the exact same, and is equally as corrupt as Delay.



http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/10/business/10PHON.html?hp

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WASHINGTON, June 9 � In a move that critics say could lead to higher telephone rates, the Bush administration on Wednesday sided with the four regional Bell companies in a court case over the fees they charge their rivals for access to their networks. Mark Cooper, research director of the Consumer Federation of America, said that the elimination of the regulations could ultimately lead to higher rates for 19 million consumers who get phone service from competitors to the Bells and an additional 30 million who have discounts from the Bells in response to competition. The administration's announcement followed fierce lobbying and aggressive tactics; each side has raised millions of dollars in campaign contributions for the president and the Republican Party. Before the decision, rivals of the Bells said they had told the administration that if it did not side with them in the dispute they intended to run television advertisements in swing political states accusing the White House of being responsible for higher telephone rates.

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Originally posted by imokruok So, he goes to church? And he takes what he learns there as guidance.

No he doesn't.

His church opposed his neocon quagmire in Iraq, and I somehow doubt they would sanction the torture he signed off on.

The point of my post wasn�t to seriously argue whether we have become a monarchy, it was to point out how far we have moved away from the ideals this country was founded on in 1776. The pomp and ceremony of Reagan�s funeral, the arrogance and contempt our leaders have towards the rest of the world, the lack of respect for human rights, our willingness to use military power, and this administration�s disregard for the Constitution.

DaveSZ, your right the corporations have a strangle hold on this country. Anyone who would care to stop and listen to Nader would know how much of our freedoms and rights are in their hands. I wish the public would wake up.

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Originally posted by igottaknow DaveSZ, your right the corporations have a strangle hold on this country. Anyone who would care to stop and listen to Nader would know how much of our freedoms and rights are in their hands. I wish the public would wake up.

a corporate monarligarchy?

bush is no good

I don't think it's a monarchy or a dictatorship at all because about half the population genuinely supports the leader and he came to power and holds power because he was elected... sort of.

Presently the U.S. is a highly polarized republic, therefore whatever group is not in power will find the actions of the group that is incomprehensible. Unfortunately the vast majority of the leaders at both poles are little more than demagogues... which seems to be the natural result of a representative republic with a relatively uneducated and highly egocentric population.

Self-governance requires intelligence, poise, and determination. At this time, our society appears to be severely lacking on all counts... thus the system produces poor results. If good results are to be obtained, we must either change the system, or change the society. Neither will be easy.

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