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Moore to hire political advisers to respond right wing criticism

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Source: BBC He has hired Chris Lehane and Mark Fabiani, two former political advisers to Bill Clinton and Al Gore, to respond to claims that Moore doctored the facts. "You come at me with anything, we come back with the truth," said Moore.

hehe this will be fun

yes you can also see this as "he is too stupid to answer it himself"... but considering the massive right opposition i think he can need it.

really hope they can defend every single point without any doubt

Hehe another field day for Occ and Yoepus.

Whether you love the guy or hate him, I am just glad to know that I live in a nation that his works can be shown despite the numerous detractors that would like otherwise to be the case. I was not a fan of him but the more idiotic actions that develop under the sorry leadership of G.W.Bush and his administration I am becoming a Moore fan. Nice to know that you can still offer critiques of the president of America in America despite what the world may think about current U.S. policies, I bet the Iranians, North Koreans, Zimbabweans, Burmese (Myanmar) to name a few places on this earth would love that opportunity Now lets hope Bush goes back to Texas in November and stays.

That's actually really smart.

You mean the all-knowing Moore has to hire someone to refute his critics?

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Originally posted by Shakka You mean the all-knowing Moore has to hire someone to refute his critics?

I've always assumed that this kind of thing is pretty commonplace - I'd imagine that any 'media figure' who's under attack (whether right, left or libertarian) would at the very least have a few advisers and PR agents. It's the nature of the game.

interesting is also that he says he will do a movie about blair & iraq too (the same article)

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"Blair knows better. Blair is not an idiot. What is he doing hanging around this guy?" Moore told Reuters.

He should to an expose on his own hypocracy. I'd pay to see that one twice. I bet no one would try to disprove any of it either.

What's wrong with hiring someone to defend you from the administration's character assassins who are paid millions to discredit Bush's opponents by any means necessary. I say fight fire with fire.

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However, he has yet to give his support to presumed Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, adding that if Kerry were elected "I'd keep my eye on him, too".

Ohh thanks O' Mighty Moore we are so greatful to have you do this wonderful thing for us......

On a serious and censorship note, in the UK if he tried getting away with his characteristic "Overall picture nevermind the details.... well actually forget the details and kinda take a view then say it's fact..... and stuff" attitude he'd be sued to f*ck. Anyone rember that guy Andrew Gilligan???

What I mean is some of the stuff he says is either hugely oversimplifed or just plainly misleading.

I wanted to comment on this topic but couldn't think of any way to improve what was already said by Mike Straka

"But one need only to look at the title of both of his "films" � actually to see that he is profiting more than anybody else from the tragedies that have befallen our country. And he stands to profit more with his latest. Check out this quote from the "Crusader of the Little Man" Moore, on his booed Oscar speech two years ago:

"When everyone was saying that any person who criticized America at a time of war would be shunned and boycotted and ignored and vilified, the sales of my books and movies went through the roof."

Gee Michael, I'm so glad our nation's tragedies are so good for your career. Did you give any of that profit to the families of the kids who were killed at Columbine? Will you be donating money to 9-11 memorials or families?

Or are they just convenient, headline-grabbing titles for your own money making machine?

Hey, Michael, you have every right to make money. That's part of the freedom we're all privileged to have thanks to the thousands of lives sacrificed in the name of the United States of America. But let's call a spade a spade. We're not all "stupid white men," and neither are you.

I'm all for criticism where it's due, but NewsMax is kinda takin' this whole thing to a new level: censorship.

http://www.moveamericaforward.org/NewsMax/

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I'm all for criticism where it's due, but NewsMax is kinda takin' this whole thing to a new level: censorship. http://www.moveamericaforward.org/NewsMax/

that is just so sick =/

Who would have thought right-wing conservatives were so opposed to polical slanted entertainment *cough* Rush Limbaugh pot meets kettle

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Originally posted by igottaknow Who would have thought right-wing conservatives were so opposed to polical slanted entertainment *cough* Rush Limbaugh pot meets kettle

Hey, enough picking on this highly moral, prescription-pill popping, 3-time divorcee (just recent)! He takes to much higher ground than Moore will ever attain!

^^^ yeah and did you read his "overview" of the troubles in Ireland? The way he totally oversimplifed it and twisted it nearly made me just stop reading it.

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Originally posted by mixinmusic Michael Moore is quite simply one big hypocrite. I was reading his book Stupid white men and I came to the third chapter "kill whitey". Now I dont give a shit personally what he has said but this whole chapter is just one racist attack after another on white people. The comedy aspect was bollox and Michael Moore is simply shit stirring. Im not fond of liberals to begin with but this book is simply one pile of shit and im sure his other publications wouldnt be any different. I wonder what would happen if in todays society someone wrote a chapter "kill blacky" or "Kill Arab"? You nd I know exactly what would happen but the fact remains MM has no right to attack a whole race of people and encourage discrimination. Left wingers fought all their lives for equal rights in the past, today they fight for minority rights and no one elses and actively encourage positive discrimination. That makes me so angry.

you didn't understand the irony in that whole chapter?

That whole chapter is filled with his bullshit dressed up as fact. Yes it was mildly amusing at the start then he just states stuff as fact which just isn't true. Like he always does.

EDIT: Don't get me wrong he has a message but he puts it across in a pretty clumsy way (in terms of mixing fact and opinon)

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Originally posted by Dervish That whole chapter is filled with his bullshit dressed up as fact. Yes it was mildly amusing at the start then he just states stuff as fact which just isn't true. Like he always does.

hmm it was a year ago i read the book, but that chapter was as far as i remember it just a ironic written chapter to prove how pathetic racism is, and using the same logic, you would also be scared of all white men. i thought it was pretty brilliant at the time.

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EDIT: Don't get me wrong he has a message but he puts it across in a pretty clumsy way (in terms of mixing fact and opinon)

true.

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Originally posted by Dervish ^^^ yeah and did you read his "overview" of the troubles in Ireland? The way he totally oversimplifed it and twisted it nearly made me just stop reading it.

I don't think MM pretends to be a historian, doling out in depth analysis. I guess if you just want to read facts without any entertainment value then pick up a history book. I recommend Alexis de Tocqueville, you can't go wrong.

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Originally posted by trintiy "When everyone was saying that any person who criticized America at a time of war would be shunned and boycotted and ignored and vilified, the sales of my books and movies went through the roof." Gee Michael, I'm so glad our nation's tragedies are so good for your career. Did you give any of that profit to the families of the kids who were killed at Columbine? Will you be donating money to 9-11 memorials or families?

This is an excellent example of a character attack on Moore. The quote is taken (totally out of context) from a text he wrote to encourage others with negative views of the Bush administration to step forward. At the time the media and the Internet were saturated with the "I support my commander in chief - if you do not, you're against us"-rhetoric, and Moore was trying to disspell the impression that if you spoke out you would be going down...fast.
As a side note: In the same text he tells of the Dixie Chicks gaining in popularity after they started criticising Bush - do you think that he was trying to strut their success as well?

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The quote is taken (totally out of context)

Yeah MM would never do the same himself would he?

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Originally posted by MisterOpus1 I'm all for criticism where it's due, but NewsMax is kinda takin' this whole thing to a new level: censorship. http://www.moveamericaforward.org/NewsMax/

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During the presidential primaries, Michael Moore referred to George W. Bush as, among other things, a "deserter.�

how dare he... errr.. ummm.. yeah, he can't be a deserter. errr... ummm... don't you actually have to appear for active duty to be a deserter? this is just another case of Moore bending the facts to make the President look bad.

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Originally posted by ResonantDrag how dare he... errr.. ummm.. yeah, he can't be a deserter. errr... ummm... don't you actually have to appear for active duty to be a deserter? this is just another case of Moore bending the facts to make the President look bad.

I'm a little confused by your statement. Are you submitting that the President was or wasn't a deserter, based on his active duty appearances?

Either way, there is a period of unaccountability for Bush in the Air Guard, and he has yet to submit conclusive evidence that he was present during that window of time. He did also refuse a medical exam, which ultimately led to his dismissal.

And our President needs little help from Moore bending facts (which of course he is guilty of at times) - Bush does just fine looking quite bad all on his own.

Is this the type of right wing criticism Moore is trying to defend himself from?

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'Fahrenheit 9/11' Gets Standing Ovations Tuesday, June 15, 2004 By Roger Friedman Fox News The crowd that gave Michael Moore's controversial "Fahrenheit 9/11" a standing ovation last night at the Ziegfeld Theatre premiere certainly didn't have to be encouraged at all to show their appreciation. From liberal radio host and writer Al Franken to actor/director Tim Robbins, Moore was in his element. But once "F9/11" gets to audiences beyond screenings, it won't be dependent on celebrities for approbation. It turns out to be a really brilliant piece of work, and a film that members of all political parties should see without fail. As much as some might try to marginalize this film as a screed against President George Bush, "F9/11" � as we saw last night � is a tribute to patriotism, to the American sense of duty, and at the same time a indictment of stupidity and avarice. Readers of this column may recall that I had a lot of problems with Moore's "Bowling for Columbine," particularly where I thought he took gratuitous shots at helpless targets like Charlton Heston. "Columbine" too easily succeeded by shooting fish in a barrel, as they used to say. Not so with "F9/11," which instead relies on lots of film footage and actual interviews to make its case against the war in Iraq and tell the story of the intertwining histories of the Bush and Bin Laden families. First, I know you want to know who came to the Ziegfeld, so here is just a partial list. Besides Franken and Robbins, Al Sharpton, Mike Myers, Tony Bennett, Glenn Close, Gretchen Mol (newly married over the weekend to director Todd Williams), Lori Singer, Tony Kushner, "Angela's Ashes" author Frank McCourt, Jill Krementz and Kurt Vonnegut, Lauren Bacall (chatting up a fully refurbished Lauren Hutton), Richard Gere, John McEnroe and Patti Smythe, former Carter cabinet member and ambassador Richard Holbrooke, Carson Daly, NBC's Jeff Zucker, a very pregnant Rory Kennedy, playwright Israel Horovitz, Macaulay Culkin, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Kyra Sedgwick, Linda Evangelista, Ed Bradley, Tom and Meredith Brokaw, director Barry Levinson, NBC anchor Brian Williams, Vernon Jordan, Eva Mendez, Sandra Bernhard and the always humorous Joy Behar. If that's not enough, how about Yoko Ono, accompanied by her son, Sean, who's let his hair grow out and is now sporting a bushy beard that makes him look like his late, beloved father John Lennon? And then, just to show you how much people wanted to see this film, there was Martha Stewart, looking terrific. I mean, talk about eclectic groups! Now, unless you've been living under a rock you know that this movie has been the cause of a lot of trouble. Miramax and Disney have gone to war over it, and "The Passion of the Christ" seems like "Mary Poppins" in retrospect. Before anyone's even seen it, there have been partisan debates over which way Moore may have spun this or that to get a desired effect. But, really, in the end, not seeing "F9/11" would be like allowing your first amendment rights to be abrogated, no matter whether you're a Republican or a Democrat. The film does Bush no favors, that's for sure, but it also finds an unexpectedly poignant and universal groove in the story of Lila Lipscombe, a Flint, Michigan mother who sends her kids into the Army for the opportunities it can provide � just like the commercials say � and lives to regret it. Lipscombe's story is so powerful, and so completely Middle American, that I think it will take Moore's critics by surprise. She will certainly move to tears everyone who encounters her. "F9/11" isn't perfect, and of course, there are leaps of logic sometimes. One set piece is about African American congressmen and women voting against the war with Iraq and wondering why there are no Senators to support them. Indeed, those absent senators include John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and Ted Kennedy, among others, which Moore does not elaborate upon. At no point are liberals or Democrats taken to task for not speaking out against the war, and I would have liked to have seen that. On the other hand, there are more than enough moments that seemed to resonate with the huge Ziegfeld audience. The most indelible is President Bush's reaction to hearing on the morning of September 11, 2001, that the first plane has crashed into the World Trade Center. Bush was reading to a grade school class in Florida at that moment. Instead of jumping up and leaving, he instead sat in front of the class, with an unfortunate look of confusion, for nearly 11 minutes. Moore obtained the footage from a teacher at the school who videotaped the morning program. There Bush sits, with no access to his advisers, while New York is being viciously attacked. I guarantee you that no one who sees this film forgets this episode. More than even "The Passion of the Christ," "F9/11" is going to be a "see it for yourself" movie when it hits theaters on June 25. It simply cannot be missed, and I predict it will be a huge moneymaker. And that's where Disney's Michael Eisner comes in. Not releasing this film will turn out to be the curse of his career. When Eisner came into Disney years ago, the studio was at a low point. He turned it around with a revived animation department and comedy hits like "Pretty Woman" and "Down and Out in Beverly Hills." But Eisner's short-sightedness on many recent matters has been his undoing. And this last misadventure is one that will follow him right out the doors of the Magic Kingdom. http://www.foxnews.com/printer_frie...,122678,00.html

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