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Prodigy and Reason - if this is no fake

you remember the announcement when you could read on the props website: PRODIGY uses REASON ?

on

http://www.theprodigy.nl/ , a prodigy fan website they gave one of the album tracks ( and they used Reason believing to their announcement )

for free download in 320 Kb mp3 !


http://www.theprodigy.nl/index_best...digy-Girls.mp3.

If

(1) this is an authentic prodigy track
(2) made with Reason
(3) this track has reached its final stadium of quality

then...


Listen and judge yourself. We have 2004 now. What do YOU think about sound quality. Can this be Prodigy Phatness ?

Trancevision

i don't get it why you still bashing reason

and the link don't work

i don't care about your facts, coz mines are mk-s, areodrome etc.. people that use reason ONLY are signed ..

so who cares?

Use a bit of common sense, will you.

Prodigy has been doing the album for years, not giving away anything and now they'd just give track out for free from some fansite?

Jeez...

To be honest the amount of people who use reason and r signed just goes how to show how quality shouldnt be so much of an issue. If a tunes good it dont matter if its quality isnt quite up to scratch and its in mp3 format, its still gonna sound good. And if a tunes average it dont matter if its in 96KHz sample rate or its in 32 bit its still gonna be average. Get over it, dont get stuck on quality, its important but not that much. Unless your a hifi geek, n there geeks so fuck em .

Agreed with all of you. Overall, its the tune and melody that matter alot. It will be never ending of talking about sound quality and who used what. Main thing is, artistes that been signed and get famous are free to use any of the program which mean that the fans will still be listening to them no matter what they had used.

My 2cents

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Use a bit of common sense, will you. Prodigy has been doing the album for years, not giving away anything and now they'd just give track out for free from some fansite? Jeez...

Perhaps new way of internet marketing. Give one track away for free, why not ?

Girls was already played on ID&T radio, you can search at google typing "new prodigy single girls" and even find infos about it on the forum of their offical website.

lmao ... each instrument within reason has two modes with them being high quality and low quality sound to free up some cpu resources. My advice is to stop reading dodgy reviews were the reviewer cant be arsed enough to find out that such a mode exists in the first place

I agree with trancevision. When it comes to sound quality, Reason can't compete with programs like Cubase, Logic or Pro Tools. But these programs cost at least twice as much, so it would be more of a surprise if reason could compete with them. Reason is good bang for the bucks, but when it comes to absolute sound quality, you should seek it elsewhere.

Also keep in mind that Cubase with a soundblaster card and average plug-ins still isn't that much better than reason. You need a good soundcard and good plug-ins (and good monitors) to get the max out of it.

And ppl that doesn't hear the difference in sound quality between tracks released with reason and recent tracks made by ppl like Junkie XL, Ti�sto and Ferry Corsten (all having a real high-end studio) are either deaf or monitoring on some sucky hifi set (and even on sucky hifi sets I hear difference).

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And ppl that doesn't hear the difference in sound quality between tracks released with reason and recent tracks made by ppl like Junkie XL, Ti�sto and Ferry Corsten (all having a real high-end studio) are either deaf or monitoring on some sucky hifi set (and even on sucky hifi sets I hear difference).

If thats the case then what about mp3s? and listening to tunes on the radio? Both have a shit bandwidth of upto 15-16khz. You can notice it but it still doesnt take anything away from the tune i dont think. Its almost snobbery to be that bothered by it. Iv spoken to people which even claim they can hear the transistor switching noise in high quality hifis, i mean who cares. Quality is a gradient, drawing a hard line saying one thing is high quality and one thing low quality does not make sense. If you actually look into it you'l find how compromised cd quality is and all the problems ascociated with it(dithering, the introducton of noise, aliasing etc.), but its very hard for the human hear to notice these slight differences. Then theres vinyl, a format which has been around for so long and by playing a record for the first time quality is instantly reduced. Quality is important but only to the point where a reduced quality is to noticable to the average listener.

reason can do enything that cubase logic or pro tools can....its

just the export that sucks!

so rewire and export in cubase.....

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reason can do enything that cubase logic or pro tools can....

Really? Please show me the 32 bits floating point processing, good effects, above average sequencer, external MIDI support, notation function and most important: VSTi and VST fx plugins host.

Guess I overlooked some things.

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If thats the case then what about mp3s? and listening to tunes on the radio? Both have a shit bandwidth of upto 15-16khz. You can notice it but it still doesnt take anything away from the tune i dont think. Its almost snobbery to be that bothered by it. Iv spoken to people which even claim they can hear the transistor switching noise in high quality hifis, i mean who cares. Quality is a gradient, drawing a hard line saying one thing is high quality and one thing low quality does not make sense. If you actually look into it you'l find how compromised cd quality is and all the problems ascociated with it(dithering, the introducton of noise, aliasing etc.), but its very hard for the human hear to notice these slight differences. Then theres vinyl, a format which has been around for so long and by playing a record for the first time quality is instantly reduced. Quality is important but only to the point where a reduced quality is to noticable to the average listener.

The difference between a pure reason produced song and a song out of a high-end top studio is much bigger than the difference between 192kbs mp3 and raw wave files (or the difference between vinyl and CD). You got a point that the average listener doesn't care about a little less quality, but there are also many not-that-avarage listeners. I also think that a producer doesn't want his music to have a little less quality, whether the average listener cares or not.

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Originally posted by Massive84 i don't get it why you still bashing reason and the link don't work i don't care about your facts, coz mines are mk-s, areodrome etc.. people that use reason ONLY are signed .. so who cares?

wow. i didnt know mk-s used ONLY reason. i thought he used cubase as well. thats good to know

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Originally posted by Veverka And ppl that doesn't hear the difference in sound quality between tracks released with reason and recent tracks made by ppl like Junkie XL, Ti�sto and Ferry Corsten (all having a real high-end studio) are either deaf or monitoring on some sucky hifi set (and even on sucky hifi sets I hear difference).

If you can hear it you hear very well, Do you hear it in Fictivision vs C-quence - Symbols, Fictivision vs Phynn - Escape (both remixes), Envio - Touched by the Sun and many many other tracks these days?

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Originally posted by Veverka Really? Please show me the 32 bits floating point processing, good effects, above average sequencer, external MIDI support, notation function and most important: VSTi and VST fx plugins host. Guess I overlooked some things.

i meant you can get the same sounds with reason just like any other

program....the export sucks but as i worte before...you can always

rewire and export it in cubase and it will sound much better!

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If you can hear it you hear very well, Do you hear it in Fictivision vs C-quence - Symbols, Fictivision vs Phynn - Escape (both remixes), Envio - Touched by the Sun and many many other tracks these days?

I know those songs, but did you hear Junkie XL's ablum "Broadcast from the computer hell cabine" or Sasha's "Airdrawndagger" (both produced in Junkie XL's high end studio)? Hell of a lot difference when it comes to detail, definition, dynamics and overall sound quality.

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i meant you can get the same sounds with reason just like any other program....the export sucks but as i worte before...you can always rewire and export it in cubase and it will sound much better!

Ok, but then again, if you rewire to Cubase, what's the point of using reason at all? You can load VSTi's into Cubase that make the substractor/mallstrom sound like "my first sony" tape recorder or fx VST's that blow reason's fx totally out of the window. (well, that's a bit exaggerated, reason isn't th�t bad, but you get my point).

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Originally posted by Veverka I know those songs, but did you hear Junkie XL's ablum "Broadcast from the computer hell cabine" or Sasha's "Airdrawndagger" (both produced in Junkie XL's high end studio)? Hell of a lot difference when it comes to detail, definition, dynamics and overall sound quality. Ok, but then again, if you rewire to Cubase, what's the point of using reason at all? You can load VSTi's into Cubase that make the substractor/mallstrom sound like "my first sony" tape recorder or fx VST's that blow reason's fx totally out of the window. (well, that's a bit exaggerated, reason isn't th�t bad, but you get my point).

o.k got your point but some people just love reason! i can't explain

i work with logic and i love it but i know some people that think

that reason is a god! its a personal taste so if someone loves

it and make good production of it he should continue and he can

solve the export problem with cubase and another thing is that reason

with cubase its a bomb!

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Originally posted by Veverka I know those songs, but did you hear Junkie XL's ablum "Broadcast from the computer hell cabine" or Sasha's "Airdrawndagger" (both produced in Junkie XL's high end studio)? Hell of a lot difference when it comes to detail, definition, dynamics and overall sound quality. Ok, but then again, if you rewire to Cubase, what's the point of using reason at all? You can load VSTi's into Cubase that make the substractor/mallstrom sound like "my first sony" tape recorder or fx VST's that blow reason's fx totally out of the window. (well, that's a bit exaggerated, reason isn't th�t bad, but you get my point).

I think it's idiotic to compare anyone's works to someone who has been a music professional for decades and is highly gifted nevertheless.

When you're listening to these tracks at a club you won't notice any difference. If the little difference in home listening bothers you so much then you really need to seek help because it really shouldn't be that much of an issue. People made rock music in the sixties that's still far superior to any of the shit these manufactured rock bands do today even if the sound quality is considerably worse.

It's the music that matters, not the fucking bitrate or perfect sound balance (to a certain point, of course).

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery When you're listening to these tracks at a club you won't notice any difference. If the little difference in home listening bothers you so much then you really need to seek help because it really shouldn't be that much of an issue. People made rock music in the sixties that's still far superior to any of the shit these manufactured rock bands do today even if the sound quality is considerably worse. It's the music that matters, not the fucking bitrate or perfect sound balance (to a certain point, of course).

Definatley.

How bout some facts.
Liam Howlett used Reason to sketch out the tunes, and then moved over to Pro Tools for finishing off.

And this elitist crap of bashing Reason. I say tunes or STFU.
Have you ever tried it for more than 20 minutes ?
Just take Reason's workflow, and on-the-fly editing of everything in the sequencer, is far superior to the Cubase SX shite editing/workflow.

There are barely hearable sonic issues with Reason at 44,1...above that, nothing, no, nada.

Liam praises Reason, made him want to make music again, i and many many others likes and use it, so where all this "its bad cuz its Reason-made" comes from, ill never know. Well, i do know.

Cheers.

I never said reason is bad, it's very much bang for the bucks. I just laugh at people who think it can compete with studios that cost more than their parent's house. And the only argument they come up with is that there are reason-made songs being released, as if being released defines absolute quality. If I play some piano piece on a Steinway and record it into Pro Tools, it will sound better than anything you'll ever get out of reason, however, it will never get a release.

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Just take Reason's workflow, and on-the-fly editing of everything in the sequencer, is far superior to the Cubase SX shite editing/workflow.

That's a matter of personal taste, I like Cubase's sequencer much more.

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I think it's idiotic to compare anyone's works to someone who has been a music professional for decades and is highly gifted nevertheless. When you're listening to these tracks at a club you won't notice any difference. If the little difference in home listening bothers you so much then you really need to seek help because it really shouldn't be that much of an issue. People made rock music in the sixties that's still far superior to any of the shit these manufactured rock bands do today even if the sound quality is considerably worse. It's the music that matters, not the fucking bitrate or perfect sound balance (to a certain point, of course).

When it comes to clubs, you're right. But on every above average hifi set, the difference is quite obvious. And I think a producer isn't a real good producer if he doesn't want his music to sound sublime.

hey varaka

check out
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=188955

this tune i made in reason, and exported it through reason, used only reason synths and samples for the beats and stuff, eqed in reason, only thing i did was outside reason was compressing the whole mix with soundforge

Am not the greatest producer here , but am sorry this sound that reason generates pleases me alot, and skilled producers can make awesome tunes with it.

I heard so many tunes that are made with reason, that are far better than some of tiesto's or armin's stuff for example.

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Originally posted by Drazzic If you can hear it you hear very well, Do you hear it in Fictivision vs C-quence - Symbols,

Funny you mention this actually, I played this tune at a really nice afterhours here in MTL with a 100k+ sound system, and I was surprised at how badly Symbols sounded. Playing it at my old clubnight in Vancouver it sounded fine, but the expensive sound system definitely seperated the men from the boys =P I played the JXL remix of dirty sticky floors in the same set, and it sounded freaking awesome.

Massive, please quote the part where I said it's impossible to make above-average songs with reason.

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I heard so many tunes that are made with reason, that are far better than some of tiesto's or armin's stuff for example.

When it comes to composition, I'm sure you're right, when it comes to absolute sound quality: no way (or you must be talking about their old stuff). Anyway, I don't consider Ti�sto's and Armin's music as being far superior (although love comes again is a really tight production which I won't see come out of reason).

Sean Walsh gave a nice example of my point. Why do you guys think the real big guys aren't using reason as their core system? Because they're very conservative and they don't know shit about music producing, or because there're far superior solutions when you don't care about the price?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I think it's idiotic to compare anyone's works to someone who has been a music professional for decades and is highly gifted nevertheless.

I think this sums it all up best. Junkie XL is IMO the most talented producer in this genre, and trying to compare artists that are just now breaking into the scene to him is futile. Yeah, obviously a 19 year old kid using only reason isn't going to make shit that sounds as good as him. That same 19 year old kid in JXL's studio won't sound as good as him either though. I've never touched reason myself, but I've heard so much good stuff made solely with it that I'm convinced it's a great piece of software, and the fact that it's way cheaper than cubase/protools only makes it look more attractive.

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