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How to create that 'distortion' synth?

Hey people,


I'd like to know how to create that kind of distorted synth as used in AvB - Burned with Desire (in the intro), and also in tracks like Robert Nickson - Spiral and Ocean Lab - Satellite...

Can it be done in Reason?? Because those sounds are so fat!

I have no idea what you mean by "distorted synth" but Nickson uses Reason, so...

You did know Reason has distortion units, right?

Hey m8,

Yeah i knew that reason has distortion units, but i mean for example the sound in the beginning of AvB - Burned with Desire, lets say the version on the CD 'A state of trance 2004'.

I posted a sample here...
Distortion Instrument Sound

Now i'd like to know how to create that sound in the background (3 or 4 notes everytime)... How can i do this in Reason????

thats an acid sound with a bandpass filter i think and some resoance(however you spell it ) i think

also there is mode on the scream4 to make it sound like that the sound not the synth i mean. coz it doesn't really sound sharp like most acids do.

And how do i get this Acid sound in reason?

sounds like
saw going tru lfo-d hi pass or bandpas with medium resonance and some distortion/overdrive
with some reverb and/or delay

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Originally posted by DeZmA sounds like saw going tru lfo-d hi pass or bandpas with medium resonance and some distortion/overdrive with some reverb and/or delay

ya that kinda distortion i think you can get with the scream4, there is a mode for it..

as for the filter i say bandpass, and the resonance is a bit higher than usuall for bandpass as far as i can hear.

but also very important is the notes that this synth go through, acid gets shaped not only by the synth but by notes and filter automation.

you can get that distortion with about every distortion effect, hw or sw. Most hw synths have distortion efx built-in. And the sounds don't get shaped by the filter as it's not on high resonance, it's only when self-oscillating that it gets shaped by filter.

I think it's a vocoder. Hi-pitch modulator with a lo-pitch carrier
(or the other way around). Somehow I got the similar sound (dont
exactly remember) with Reason.

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Originally posted by kooma I think it's a vocoder. Hi-pitch modulator with a lo-pitch carrier (or the other way around). Somehow I got the similar sound (dont exactly remember) with Reason.

did you ever realise a vocoder cannot make sounds on its own
I think you're thinking wrong

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Originally posted by DeZmA did you ever realise a vocoder cannot make sounds on its own I think you're thinking wrong

If I wouldnt know what vocoder is I wouldnt be talking bout
carriers and modulators . If U didnt
understand I ment carrier synth playing lower note than the
modulator synth (or voice)

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Originally posted by kooma If I wouldnt know what vocoder is I wouldnt be talking bout carriers and modulators . If U didnt understand I ment carrier synth playing lower note than the modulator synth (or voice)

so what would you take as input then??
I won't deny it might be possible, you can do some crazy stuff with vocoders but it'll be a proces of trial and error, analog synthesis will be way easier imo.

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Originally posted by DeZmA so what would you take as input then?? I won't deny it might be possible, you can do some crazy stuff with vocoders but it'll be a proces of trial and error, analog synthesis will be way easier imo.

I guess U havent used vocoder. The carrier and the modulator are
the inputs (3 devices). Anyway heres my 5 minute effort modified
"Discovering Reason" rns file. Just to show the basic effect.

vocoder.rns

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Originally posted by kooma I guess U havent used vocoder. The carrier and the modulator are the inputs (3 devices). Anyway heres my 5 minute effort modified "Discovering Reason" rns file. Just to show the basic effect. vocoder.rns

First of all I have, the one on my waldorf micro q but you need an INPUT signal so why would you bother messing up the input signal with a vocoder if you can do it with subtractive synthesis. Second, I don't use reason. I just think it's a lot easier to recreate the sound without a vocoder.

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Originally posted by DeZmA why would you bother messing up the input signal with a vocoder if you can do it with subtractive synthesis

Coz I think its a "speaking synth" (vocoder effect). Armin was
counting numbers (99 98 97 96 95) and mixed his voice
with some of his synths.

By the way the standalone vocoder needs 2 inputs carrier and
modulator.

Re: How to create that 'distortion' synth?

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Originally posted by TranceZoner Hey people, I'd like to know how to create that kind of distorted synth as used in AvB - Burned with Desire (in the intro), and also in tracks like Robert Nickson - Spiral and Ocean Lab - Satellite... Can it be done in Reason?? Because those sounds are so fat!

All I do is use a subtractor with the initial patch, give it lots of resonance and automate the filter (you could use lfo1 for this too), add a distortion unit, some delay and reverb, eq it a bit and robert's your father's brother. That's basically it..

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