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Reason vs Cubase and other software packages
Hi,
Lately many users here at TA have posted disturbing remarks on Reason, a product developed by propellerheads. In the past, TA users have posted test results of what happens if an Wav file is imported into Reason. The results was that Reason isn't accurate above 18khz. But this doesn't mean that the sound will be bad because "professionals" cutoff any frequencies above 14khz. So you'll get the same results if professionals would use the program. ( Just grap a CD and analyse the frequencies. )
What I propose is to post a couple of small samples. Run the samples in reason and export it. The original samples and the samples from reason must be normalised ( reason version and the original, because of the -3db overhead of Reason )
Then we can all hear if there is a difference or not.
Greetings,
thank you sales rep @ Propellarheads headquarters
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| Originally posted by Zombie0729 thank you sales rep @ Propellarheads headquarters |
i second that..
would be very interested in hearing the results.. as an avid reason user
You'll never notice the difference with individual samples... the mixdown is the key.
Not that I've used Reason but have avoided it after hearing alot of tracks made using it... may be down to the artists themselves but all the ones i've heard seem to be weak in the bass department and too tinny, almost bare sounding, with an overall erm, reasony feel, can't describe it.
thats because reason tracks all sound like reason tracks...... ever wonderd why airbase tracks allways have almost the same feel to everyone..... reasons not bad just lacks due to the fact you cant use vstis make reason vsti compatible without having to rewire and maybe itd be a better program...... i would like to see the comparsin i think itd be very intresting..... reason tracks are reason tracks fuck the artist bottom line if its done in reason alone itll allways sound like a reason track.... Fruity Loops 2.5 4 LIFE
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I actually noticed the difference when I first tried Reason 2.5...I noticed like a "low-fiish sound to it. If somebody provides me an e-mail address and hosts the file, I would be more willing to help the cause. It actually sounds different (better) when exported through Cubase SX.
Re: Reason vs Cubase and other software packages
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| Originally posted by The Designer Hi, Lately many users here at TA have posted disturbing remarks on Reason, a product developed by propellerheads. In the past, TA users have posted test results of what happens if an Wav file is imported into Reason. The results was that Reason isn't accurate above 18khz. But this doesn't mean that the sound will be bad because "professionals" cutoff any frequencies above 14khz. So you'll get the same results if professionals would use the program. ( Just grap a CD and analyse the frequencies. ) |
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What I propose is to post a couple of small samples. Run the samples in reason and export it. The original samples and the samples from reason must be normalised ( reason version and the original, because of the -3db overhead of Reason ) Then we can all hear if there is a difference or not. Greetings, |
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| Originally posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ thats because reason tracks all sound like reason tracks...... ever wonderd why airbase tracks allways have almost the same feel to everyone..... reasons not bad just lacks due to the fact you cant use vstis make reason vsti compatible without having to rewire and maybe itd be a better program...... i would like to see the comparsin i think itd be very intresting..... reason tracks are reason tracks fuck the artist bottom line if its done in reason alone itll allways sound like a reason track.... Fruity Loops 2.5 4 LIFE Enter HAHAHAHA |
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| Originally posted by TranceZoner Isn't that because you KNOW that these tracks have been made in Reason??? Maybe it's a psychological aspect..... If you know what i mean.. Cheers |
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| Originally posted by Subtle I have been listening to Filo & Peri, Envio, Robert Nickson, Subsphere etc. and alot of those hyped Reason producers, and I must say their music gives me nothing, I didn`t know why and what was wrong woth the tracks they made, but I figured, it is that cheap regressive Reason sound that does it.. it is just the sound of it.. no offence to the mentioned above.. |
filo and peri`s use logic and bunch of hardware. how can you say their productions ound reason`ish?? can you please define "reason`ish" for me pls?
afaik, nickson uses reason and most of his tracks barely have the reason`ish sound... his best work is fallback. however you can tell if its softsynth,,, that's a given. although 'fallback' sounds far from it!
all the best,
art
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| Originally posted by Subtle I have been listening to Filo & Peri, Envio, Robert Nickson, Subsphere etc. and alot of those hyped Reason producers, and I must say their music gives me nothing, I didn`t know why and what was wrong woth the tracks they made, but I figured, it is that cheap regressive Reason sound that does it.. it is just the sound of it.. no offence to the mentioned above.. |
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| Originally posted by TranceZoner Furthermore, i thought that Robert Nickson used Logic mainly.... |
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| Originally posted by Robert Filo & Peri and Subsphere don't use reason, I'm not sure if Envio (still?) does. So funnily enough half the of the artists you mention have this 'cheap regressive reason sound' don't use Reason at all... I still use Reason. |
i dont give a fuck what software/hardware someone uses if his music is good. at least creativity counts.
I'll tell you what is it. The guys with no talent and no balls to just sit down with whatever sequencer they have an actually put their lazy asses to work and make a goood track are the ones who keep bitching about sound quality.
Robert makes insane tracks, Out There and Spiral are classics. Cause he concentrates on the music not the bullshit tech talk on what sequencer delivers higher qualoity sound. Go to a high fidelity stero dealership and sit in one of those rooms with those 50 000 dollar speakers and amplifiers. look at the little booklet of cds you can try out, mostly jazz, orchestral stuff live recorded stuff because listeners want the most realistic live experience possible. trance is played on massive sound systems at raves, quality between reason and logic will not be noticed.
Re: Reason vs Cubase and other software packages
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| Originally posted by The Designer But this doesn't mean that the sound will be bad because "professionals" cutoff any frequencies above 14khz. So |
haha file and peri just have such a ambient sound to it and ehhh not all tracks done inr eason are shit but most are. not shit as in melody but shit as in indiviuality of the synths. think of it this way many people complain trance all sounds the same many people go ohh thats jsut becuase your closed minded when in fact most trance does sound teh same because most producers use the same synths and many many producers that would be cheezey enough to make pop radio probly use the genric trance sound.... now think about it reasons been out for years has thousonds of people that use it maybe not use it entirely but use it maybe here and there for tracks.. thats why you can tell a reason sound just like you can tell a virus sound or a jp-8080 sound... point is spend as much time as you spend writing your track as you spend working your synth... or just learn cubase and use vstis so you can furthermore make your sound more yours and not everyones...
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| Originally posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ or just learn cubase and use vstis so you can furthermore make your sound more yours and not everyones... |
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| Originally posted by ZxZDeViLZxZ haha file and peri just have such a ambient sound to it and ehhh not all tracks done inr eason are shit but most are. not shit as in melody but shit as in indiviuality of the synths. think of it this way many people complain trance all sounds the same many people go ohh thats jsut becuase your closed minded when in fact most trance does sound teh same because most producers use the same synths and many many producers that would be cheezey enough to make pop radio probly use the genric trance sound.... now think about it reasons been out for years has thousonds of people that use it maybe not use it entirely but use it maybe here and there for tracks.. thats why you can tell a reason sound just like you can tell a virus sound or a jp-8080 sound... point is spend as much time as you spend writing your track as you spend working your synth... or just learn cubase and use vstis so you can furthermore make your sound more yours and not everyones... |
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Who cares? All that is necessary is that people still pump out good tracks with whatever they use. The method is not more important than the result.
I've been told that Reason automatically compresses tunes on export.. is this true? If so that could be what's causing the sound defects I've noticed...
Still I guess it's up to the people who use it whether they can make good use of it... not saying it's necessarily limiting
who cares?
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| Originally posted by Robert Filo & Peri and Subsphere don't use reason, I'm not sure if Envio (still?) does. So funnily enough half the of the artists you mention have this 'cheap regressive reason sound' don't use Reason at all... I still use Reason. |
Instead, I use Orion platinum and Nuendo 2.0 and lots of VST instruments.
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| Originally posted by Airbase who cares? |
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