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Posted by mike_stefan69 on Jun-16-2004 13:51:

England fans rioting in portugal

fuckin hate it when it happens, it tarnishes the image of all england fans worldwide.

i really hope we dont have to put up with this stuff in the later stages, that would really put a downer on my trip to portugal


Posted by AndskiSpeed on Jun-16-2004 14:26:

Gutted, the media will be going crazy about this and we could end up gettin chucked out

well done the underclass


Posted by chesco on Jun-16-2004 14:48:

it's another chapter in englands book of troublesome fans.

Granted it's a very small minority, but it's a cancer that just will not go away for you lot. When will these idiots realise that the world is watching with scrutiny and they are doing nothing but disgracing their country.

This just makes me even more proud to be a celtic fan. The fact that we took over 100,000 fans to seville and not one was arrested.. Get in!


Posted by RubiK Cube on Jun-16-2004 15:17:

Has no one failed to realise that a load of Germans got arrested after about 450 of them they started throwing chairs etc at some Dutch fans before yesterdays match? No because no media attention is place on hooliganism unless the English are involved which gives us such a bad reputation


Posted by chesco on Jun-16-2004 16:06:

quote:
Originally posted by RubiK Cube
Has no one failed to realise that a load of Germans got arrested after about 450 of them they started throwing chairs etc at some Dutch fans before yesterdays match? No because no media attention is place on hooliganism unless the English are involved which gives us such a bad reputation




It doesn't really matter about what the germans got up to. The fact of the matter is after all the media hype and all the warnings that england had, there fans still cause trouble.


Posted by Rick D on Jun-16-2004 16:34:

there is one word that sums these people up. SCUM!!! they should be put down. I was absoloutely gutted about sunday night, but i didn't go out and and start wrecking stuff, i just went to bed and sulked


Posted by mike_stefan69 on Jun-16-2004 16:42:

unfortunately hooliganism is not just related to this country. the german/dutch fans can be just as bad, not to mention the italians and some of the racist/nazi "ultra" groups in countries formely part of the eastern bloc (like serbia).

the problem is that the media almost always chooses to focus on England. imo thats because this is something that has plagued the national team for a few tournaments now and sometimes blown out of proportion. theres always going to be trouble at any game, whether its a 10-man rucus in a local pub or thousands taking to the streets. put anyone in a pub in the sun for 12 hours, give them 15 pints and most will probably not really have a clue of whats going on... all it takes is one "dirty" look and the whole place is kicking off...


anyway, rant over, i do wish these people would calm down


Posted by AndskiSpeed on Jun-16-2004 18:04:

quote:
Originally posted by RubiK Cube
Has no one failed to realise that a load of Germans got arrested after about 450 of them they started throwing chairs etc at some Dutch fans before yesterdays match? No because no media attention is place on hooliganism unless the English are involved which gives us such a bad reputation


wow i didn't know that, but i'm not surprised why


Posted by chesco on Jun-16-2004 18:09:

quote:
Originally posted by mike_stefan69
unfortunately hooliganism is not just related to this country. the german/dutch fans can be just as bad, not to mention the italians and some of the racist/nazi "ultra" groups in countries formely part of the eastern bloc (like serbia).


The difference with the aforementioned countries is the trouble very raraely follows the national team. It's all club violence (with the odd exception). But over the years the english hooligan element has tagged along to tournaments with the national team and caused riots on a huge scale and all in front of the worlds media. This is the reason people have such a bad viewpoint on englands fans.


quote:
Originally posted by mike_stefan69
theres always going to be trouble at any game, whether its a 10-man rucus in a local pub or thousands taking to the streets. put anyone in a pub in the sun for 12 hours, give them 15 pints and most will probably not really have a clue of whats going on... all it takes is one "dirty" look and the whole place is kicking off...


again i'm going to bring up the celtic in seville game. No-one on the face of the earth drinks as much as the scottish and irish. And yet in temperatures well above 90 F over 100,000 fans managed to watch there team play and lose, but not one arrest made.

Now you can't tell me that fighting is part of football because it's not.







Posted by RubiK Cube on Jun-16-2004 18:36:

quote:
Originally posted by chesco


It doesn't really matter about what the germans got up to. The fact of the matter is after all the media hype and all the warnings that england had, there fans still cause trouble.

And its also in Albufiera where English people fighting after getting drunk happens every summer. But cos its related to the england team its blown out of proportion


Posted by chesco on Jun-16-2004 18:45:

quote:
Originally posted by RubiK Cube
And its also in Albufiera where English people fighting after getting drunk happens every summer. But cos its related to the england team its blown out of proportion


i realise it gets blown out of proportion, but the fact so called fans are fighting with the risk that england could be withdrawn from the tourney is just outrageous.


Posted by sleepydragon on Jun-16-2004 18:54:

quote:
Originally posted by RubiK Cube
Has no one failed to realise that a load of Germans got arrested after about 450 of them they started throwing chairs etc at some Dutch fans before yesterdays match? No because no media attention is place on hooliganism unless the English are involved which gives us such a bad reputation


does that really matter? it still doesnt excuse our fans rioting and why would the english media report on german fans they wouldnt this is england afterall go to germany and im sure ull find stuff in the papers bout there fans


Posted by George Kendall on Jun-16-2004 19:14:

this fighting was in a resort literally miles away from where england are playing...

this resort is full of engligh people every year and fighting goes on every year.... I dont believe the best part of this violence is euro 2004 related.

fact fo the matter is, it happens every year and they invite us back every year with cheap drinks/large screen tvs and cheap package holidays.


Posted by Ste on Jun-16-2004 20:40:

yeh, its sad to see shit like this.


Posted by mentalbarter on Jun-16-2004 20:46:

its a shame also cos albufeira used to be so nice
guess ive spent over a year of my life there
but recently its definitely gathered a loutish image


Posted by Coup on Jun-16-2004 20:49:

quote:
Originally posted by George Kendall
this resort is full of engligh people every year and fighting goes on every year.... I dont believe the best part of this violence is euro 2004 related.

fact fo the matter is, it happens every year and they invite us back every year with cheap drinks/large screen tvs and cheap package holidays.

werd. euro2004's official response on this is that the violence is miles away from the games and has spawned from pure drunkeness, and nothing football related. As it is not football related, england will not be thrown out, or considered for it.

no another note about "official responses", calamity james's "official response" after the england game was "i was given video footage by the FA on france and their tatics but nothing contained footage from zidane". Why not just say the freekick was mint and the penalty was mint, we all know ur shit anyway.


Posted by donegalredneck on Jun-16-2004 22:02:

Yes, English fans tend to go mental a lot. The first time I had any interest in football was in Italia '90. When England got put out fans went on the rampage in London if I remember right
The last time they were in Ireland a load of them starting ripping the seats out of the stadium after they went 1-0 down (the joy of watching bald heads being opened by batons ).
A few summers ago it was the same craic when they had to take the water cannons to them.
It's unfortunate that a fairly small number I'm sure spoil everything for everyone else. The fact is the world sees English football fans as wankers (even though most are not). English people abroad and trouble are synonymous.


Posted by Luke Terry on Jun-16-2004 23:55:

quote:
Originally posted by George Kendall
fact fo the matter is, it happens every year and they invite us back every year with cheap drinks/large screen tvs and cheap package holidays.




it's the multinational tour operators who "invite" us, not the locals, i won't start to write an essay otherwise i'll be on all day hehe.

and the rioting they are showing on tv was apparently started by the police on some other nation rather than the english fans, which just happen to have got recorded and broadcasted


Posted by chesco on Jun-17-2004 09:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Luke Terry


and the rioting they are showing on tv was apparently started by the police on some other nation rather than the english fans, which just happen to have got recorded and broadcasted




hmmm where have have I heard that before.


Posted by sleepydragon on Jun-17-2004 09:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Luke Terry


it's the multinational tour operators who "invite" us, not the locals, i won't start to write an essay otherwise i'll be on all day hehe.

and the rioting they are showing on tv was apparently started by the police on some other nation rather than the english fans, which just happen to have got recorded and broadcasted



does it matter who started it they never walked away english were more than willing to fight back


Posted by jp on Jun-17-2004 18:52:

Congratulations with the 3-0 victory


Posted by Rick D on Jun-17-2004 20:31:

quote:
Originally posted by jp
Congratulations with the 3-0 victory


we still played shite though, it seems that we allow ourselves to be dragged down to the level of the opponents, and perform at their level. We can do much better than we did tonight


Posted by Robert on Jun-17-2004 21:36:

not all england fans are bad tho


Posted by jp on Jun-17-2004 23:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Robert
not all england fans are bad tho



How bout the Dutch




Posted by slinkyhead on Jun-18-2004 12:36:

quote:
Originally posted by mike_stefan69


the problem is that the media almost always chooses to focus on England. imo thats because this is something that has plagued the national team for a few tournaments now and sometimes blown out of proportion. theres always going to be trouble at any game, whether its a 10-man rucus in a local pub or thousands taking to the streets. put anyone in a pub in the sun for 12 hours, give them 15 pints and most will probably not really have a clue of whats going on... all it takes is one "dirty" look and the whole place is kicking off...



u thought maybe that the violence is only hyped by our own media while german media is going on about their fans???


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