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Is Reason Enough?

I had the notion to get a powerful laptop and then install reason on it. My question is this enough, will I need a keyboard or anyother sort of equipment, and will I be able to make a complete track on just reason, thanx in advance and please excuse my noobism.

Yes you could make your entire track in Reason, but you will lack a lot of creative possibilities.

If you dont mind me asking like what, and what would I need to get in order to utilize these creatvie possibilities, and once again Im sorry I am completely new all I have is a love and drive to make music, so simply speaking I know nothing. Also hate to bother you minimal equipment would I need on a bit of a budget?

To make a great track in Reason you need to be very talented. I suggest starting off with fruity. It will allow you to understand how vsti works, its very easy to put together ideas, and it is great for learning how to make drum patterns.

A great trance beginner setup would be fruity, with zeta+, vstation, pro 53,albino, and vanguard.

Get yourself some drum samples. You can find alot of free ones on this board or if u do a google search. good luck

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Originally posted by trancenrg69 To make a great track in Reason you need to be very talented. I suggest starting off with fruity. It will allow you to understand how vsti works, its very easy to put together ideas, and it is great for learning how to make drum patterns. A great trance beginner setup would be fruity, with zeta+, vstation, pro 53,albino, and vanguard. Get yourself some drum samples. You can find alot of free ones on this board or if u do a google search. good luck

Or a used Virus if you got an good audio card. Record your compositions with the Virus and use recycle so you can import your compositions into DR.Rex

I think reason is enough to start with..

i mean.. whats the point on getting external gear if your not at a point where programing synths is easy?

get a good external soundcard for your lappy with asio support.. even the USB Audigy searies would be fine for your needs.. download kx audio drivers and use thoes instead of the ones that come with the card..

reason is a powerfull tool no matter what everyone else sez, you just need to learn it. and lets be honest, your not signed yet and your skill level is not 100% there (nore is mine) so spending your hard earnd fabulous ($) on things that just arn't going to aid you at this stage is just stupid (imo)

now i use reason and fruity rewired together.. but this is my conclusion about reason for someone starting out

1) CPU friendly
2) everything your need (sort'a) in one program
3) extensive support
4) well laid out
5) good tutorials on this forum for making supersaws ()
6) you seem to get great praise when you make a good sound in it

so.. the choice is yours... my 2 cents really.. i've only now started to play with fruity and vstis and a bit of cubase.. been using reason for 3 years now since version 1.. best of luck

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen but you will lack a lot of creative possibilities.

And how is that, exactly?

invest in firewire soundcard invest in usb midi controller and dont start with reason. i say dont start with reason because theres no need to you wont ever just use reason and if you do then your tracks will lack i strongly suggest you just suck it up and either learn cubase or start on fruity loops 4.5 with vsti instruments and vsti effects. some great vstis are absynth, fm7, pro-53, vanguard, claw, z3ta, albino, B4, TBL, PlastiCZ!, Junox2, v-station, scoprion 4, bass-station. honestly save yourself the trouble use cubase or flp youll thank yourself when youve been doing it for a while

thanx guys, really appreciate the support, so if I get this str8 ure saying fruity loops is easier to learn and cubase is easier or wat?

i would sudjest that if you don't know any of the 3 programs spoken of here (reason, fruity and cubase) then i would say start with the best.. cubase.. it's harder to learn then the other 2 but the end result is that much better.. plus vsti's (supported by both cubase and fruity) like pro-53 and Z3ta will always kick the shit out of reason..

PLUS if you want to get hardware synths later on i understand it that cubase supports them much better then fruity does and reason doesn't at all..

that said, if you are after a simple and effect method of making music then i sudjest reason as i stated in the post before..

Re: Is Reason Enough?

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Originally posted by VaNFeCto I had the notion to get a powerful laptop and then install reason on it. My question is this enough, will I need a keyboard or anyother sort of equipment, and will I be able to make a complete track on just reason, thanx in advance and please excuse my noobism.

no, you will not. you might, however, in some time start to feel restrained by its closed architecture, but, then again, you might like it the way it is, just like thousands people on this small planet already do. and yes, you can make a complete track in it.
you do not need a keyboard or any additional hardware, but i really really suggest you get a midi controller keyboard, something like edirol pc30, evolution mk449c or radium 49.

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Originally posted by VaNFeCto thanx guys, really appreciate the support, so if I get this str8 ure saying fruity loops is easier to learn and cubase is easier or wat?

i consider fruity to be simpler to use and much more powerful. it does not look so nice, with all those reason rack components, but what the heck

the cubase is the most powerful of the lot, has the most possibilities, but it can be hard to learn. i tried using reason 1, but ditched it because of its sequencer, worked with fruity for a year or so (before version 4) and dropped it when a friend of mine taught me cubase. now i use cubase, and it kicks ass of everything else in both possibilities and workflow - at least for me. download demo versions of fruity and reason (cubase does not have one unfortulately - as far as i know) and try for yourself. you mihgt also try some alternatives like traction or orion.

Why don't you just download some demo's of all the programs and check which you think is the best for you. Don't listen to these guys, but to your own feelings. Try to find out which program fits you best.

to answer your question: Is Reason enough?
the answer is yes.

Reason allows you to create the best of tracks with a good quality.
If you master the tracks outside of reason with like say Wavelab, your practicaly there.

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Originally posted by Timothy Why don't you just download some demo's of all the programs and check which you think is the best for you. Don't listen to these guys, but to your own feelings. Try to find out which program fits you best.

Exactly. The program doesn't do the tracks for you - if you're no good at producing then it doesn't matter if you use the cheapest possible software or millions worth of studio equipment, your stuff will still suck.

We all have our own preferences and most of the people here like to push their opinions as the God's truth. The only way you'll find out is to test all the programs yourself and seeing what fits you best.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery And how is that, exactly?

1. Without a keyboard controller you WILL lack creative control over your music and will be extrelemely limited.

2. You are locked into reason's architecture. Not expandible, no plug ins, only 2 softsynths and samplers, missing lots of effects.

Right. Thank God I'm an ignorant idiot then so I don't have any problems over creative control.

I'm done with this topic. What's the point in arguing stuff with someone who doesn't even use Reason.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Right. Thank God I'm an ignorant idiot then so I don't have any problems over creative control. I'm done with this topic. What's the point in arguing stuff with someone who doesn't even use Reason.

Dude, chill, I wasn't saying that. But to answer the original question you would need to have at the very least a keyboard controller if you want your music to sound somewhat human (velocity/aftertouch).

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Dude, chill, I wasn't saying that. But to answer the original question you would need to have at the very least a keyboard controller if you want your music to sound somewhat human (velocity/aftertouch).

tbat sux, i guess my music sounds alien..i have no keyboard .

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen 1. Without a keyboard controller you WILL lack creative control over your music and will be extrelemely limited.

I don't think so. The producer is the one who feels it's limiting or not.

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2. You are locked into reason's architecture. Not expandible, no plug ins, only 2 softsynths and samplers, missing lots of effects.

How about cubase and fruity architecture?? I don't like fruity's. Cubase is more difficuilt then reason.
I can plug anything into a long line. The architecture is easy to understand. everything is around the sound module.
Two synth are enough to fill your track with sounds.
1 synth for filtering noise and waveforms for your sounds and 1 with granular synthesis. Nothing can beat the moving sounds you get whit granular synthesis.

Effects got better with 2.5. What effect do you miss??

wow this totally is getting to be some hate in this bitch.. ok now it really doesnt matter what software you use id go with what someone suggested id say find someone that has cubase and reason and fruity like a friend and play with them full version demo wont allow you to do shit good i find demos rather limiting in most all aspects. now id suggest you honestly buy a midi controller id suggest the m audio oxygen line to start with oxygen 8 is good one to start with. and then get some nice vstis which have been stated in here along with some nice vsti effects also a thread with them listed in here. then use cubase or fruity i find cubase to be easy aslong as you just read the menus and use common sense and if anyhting theres are the f1 key. id also suggest you get a good firewire soundcard one that can do 24bit 96khz atleast i personally am looking at the maudio firewire cards as i have a maudio desktop soundcard and am very pleased with it.

honestly tho all that are extras i know people that dont use controller or even good soundcards and can create the most crazy good shit. it really just depeneds how hard your gonna dive into it when you first start. so check all three out and from there decide if your going to get heavy into it or can wait to purchase the controller and audio card.

on a side note ill add that i strongly suggest fruity loops 4.5 and some good vstis and vstfx. and also get cubase because with fruity you can load the program as a vsti inside of cubase which will allow you to do shit in both fruity and cubase and will ease the learning curve some. so take your pic best advice would be dont listen t o people that just are argueing this thread shouldnt turn into an argument i was hoping for my own intrested itd hold some good information that someone would post. smoke weed and produce trax nothings more enjoyable

Robert Nickson has made better tracks than 99% of us ever will, and he still uses reason. So yes, Reason is enough if you want to make trance (I'm not a reason user btw).

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Originally posted by FuzzyGreen Dude, chill, I wasn't saying that. But to answer the original question you would need to have at the very least a keyboard controller if you want your music to sound somewhat human (velocity/aftertouch).

I'm chilled and I understand where you're coming from, actually. It's just that when you've used Reason long enough you kinda learn to work your way around the shortcomings (so to speak).

I'd just like to stick up for Mystery and so that he makes some sensationally good tracks for the equipment he uses. Living proof that it takes talent and not equipment to deliver the goods.

Like I said in one of my other posts. It's nice to have fancy equipment - makes your job easier and to some degree, more fun. But that's all it is.

IMO reason i found easier to use then Fruity loops..and reason comes with everything u need...with FL u need to buy more plug in etc...

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