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Does anyone here do breaks?

I know it's a bit of a daft question considering this is a trance website, but do any of you musicans create the kind of music which combines trance elements with breakbeats?

Its the type of music I've gotten into creating in these last few monts, and the discovery of Plump DJs has inspired me furthur. Their track "Tilt" is a good example of what I'm talking about.

So are you guys trance only, or do you venture into experimental/sub genres?

There are lots of people into breaks here. Go to the amature producers forum to discuss

ya Mr mystery and Mart(Echano spelled right?)

youl hear wonderfull breaks from them and trance of cource

Damn, Daz, where'd ya come from?

You know I do breaks, don't you

I'm currently about 80% finished a prog breaks tune with a friend of mine, Ninjadano, who has upcoming releases on Electrofly and some other label as well.

Plums DJ's - Tilt ???
What remix are you talking about ?
You can't be serious about calling the original 'breaks'.

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Originally posted by Daz aka Paradox I know it's a bit of a daft question considering this is a trance website, but do any of you musicans create the kind of music which combines trance elements with breakbeats?

you havent seen more then the title of this site if you think its COMPLETELY trance.

true that its trance-oriented, but thats as far as it goes.

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Originally posted by Daz aka Paradox I know it's a bit of a daft question considering this is a trance website, but do any of you musicans create the kind of music which combines trance elements with breakbeats? Its the type of music I've gotten into creating in these last few monts, and the discovery of Plump DJs has inspired me furthur. Their track "Tilt" is a good example of what I'm talking about. So are you guys trance only, or do you venture into experimental/sub genres?

drum'n'bass, along the regular goa/psy/sometimes cheeze routine. does that count?

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Originally posted by Psy-T you havent seen more then the title of this site if you think its COMPLETELY trance. true that its trance-oriented, but thats as far as it goes.

Well, to be honest I haven't really read into the site, maybe I should have done

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Damn, Daz, where'd ya come from?

Hi mate, I've been snooping around the interent for a while, just uploading tunes etc. I've been living away from home - at Uni - so I've had no time whatsoever for the 'net.

I'm suprised to see you, actually. I thought you'd quit the 'net cos you never seem to be on the usual forums, although they seem to have undertaken a slow and painful death

Well these forums look pretty cool, I'll hang around here, if you don't mind TA guys

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Originally posted by Daz aka Paradox I'm suprised to see you, actually. I thought you'd quit the 'net cos you never seem to be on the usual forums, although they seem to have undertaken a slow and painful death

Well yeah, I sorta quit visiting all of the old forums since they seemed to go around in circles... this is the only forum I go to these days now that I've actually got a life outside the 'net as well.

i've experimented with some crystal method style breaks.. but I havn't finished anything yet.. my true home is in trance.. when I do breaks i'm just experimenting

any drumloops tips are welcome

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Originally posted by Sebraa any drumloops tips are welcome

make 3 decent break loops and then layer and EQ them.. check out this one I did all from one-shots..

here

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Originally posted by alanzo make 3 decent break loops and then layer and EQ them.. check out this one I did all from one-shots.. here

Cool Breaks Alanzo.

I'm really interested in the Crystal Method ATM having recently bought Legion of Boom, but my fave breaks act has to be Plump DJ's and most of the other Finger Lickin' artists

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Originally posted by alanzo make 3 decent break loops and then layer and EQ them.. check out this one I did all from one-shots.. here

nice example, but its not really what I thought "breaks" are
Can I start out ->130bpm drumandbass loops?

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Sebraa

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Originally posted by Sebraa nice example, but its not really what I thought "breaks" are Can I start out ->130bpm drumandbass loops? -- Sebraa

my breaks sample was like Crystal Method.. breaks can really be any BPM.. it all depends on how you sequence the percussion..

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Originally posted by alanzo my breaks sample was like Crystal Method.. breaks can really be any BPM.. it all depends on how you sequence the percussion..

Thanks will explore more!!

any good break samples???

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Originally posted by Electronicmaji any good break samples???

What kind of samples are you looking for?

breaks for prog or just general like the type Shiloh/Luke Chable/Ozgur Can do...

i write freeform, hardcore and drum and bass. ive got some breaky hardcore lying about my pc and my dnb tunes are available on soulseek. just pester anthonyb when hes online or just violate his shared folder without asking. i wont mind :O its all in d:\music\

i found that creating good breaks isnt really so much about getting quality drum samples. what i did was to use a number of freely available drum samples from places like breakbeat paradise. i play like 3 or 4 kicks at the same time. same with snares and hats and rides. i get the levels at something im happy with (to get the bass/mid range punch of the kicks and the treble edge of the snappy snares) then i add effects, eqs and compressors on the kicks or on the other drums if they are a bit noisy. heres some breaks i made in an edgy trancy dnb tune for anyone who needs a hand venturing into the trance and bass realm...

i start with a double length pattern cuz i like my breaks with lots of fills and variety and i like em fast so whack the bpm up to 170 to 180 going something like this

X--------x-X---x---X----x--X---X-
----Y--------Y-------Y-------Y---

where X - kick samples
Y - snare samples

make sure the snares for this pattern and the next one have a big snapping sound then a a whipping kind of decay/release. once ive got a basic breakbeat going ill add a new pattern like this,

X-X----X--X-----
----Y-------Y---

where X - your kick samples
and Y - your snare samples

i build up the break by creating another layer that would go something like

X--X-------X----
----Y-------Y---

then ill add a basic hats track

ZzZzZzZzZzZzZzZz

where Z = hihat samples at normal velocity
and z = hihat samples at 2/3 normal velocity

that creates a sort of sizzling sound. sometimes ill add more hihat tracks and rides to keep the break 'klangy' in the middle. then i try to flesh out the break with some more snares and hats. i have 4 different snares with a softer sound and with the level alot less than the main snares. you just want it to appear is if its in the background of the drum track. its arranged something like this in my last dnb track

A---A-A-A-A--AA-
------B---B-B---
-------C-C------
------------D---

where A - snare with a down beat
B - snare with an up beat
C - quieter snare with an upbeat
D - more prominant snappy snare

i also have a very low volume kick drum sample running in the background to accentuate the low end a bit. it should be BARELY audible once the entire break is assembled so set the level pretty low. it'll make the difference. the kick i used was kind of stubby and very midrangy. it sounded like a suction cup being pulled violently off a wet laminate tile. or something like that. i had that playing like this

X--XX-X--XX--XXX

to round off the breaky bit ill add 2 extra hats like this (both should be fairly quite and just noticibly audible)

------E-E-------
-------F-F------

where E - high hihat
F - low hihat

put this all together and EQ it right. get the levels set properly and you'll have this continuous rolling of kicks and snares with a prominant snappy snare at constant intervals to dance to. in places where the kicks or snares double up, thats ok cuz if its eq'ed properly and the levels are set the doubled up beats should help with the rolling of the break. also, a few of them are on the first beat so you'll get a massive first downbeat as a reference for the start of the break. make sure it doesnt distort though :O ill see if i can get a sound sample of it going. i have no host though so it might be difficult unless you get it from me on soulseek. anyone can always download my tracks anthony b - YF21 or anthony b - destroy all humans to see adaptations of this break in a working tune.

sometimes ill add more layers to crank it up a notch or reaarange existing layers to make more varied breaks. sometimes ill add more snares like this

O---O-O-O---O-OO--O---O-O-O-OO-O
P-P-P-PPP--PP-P---P-P-P-P---P-P-

if you are interested in writing trance with some breaks but you dont want to make a full on breakbeat song, i used the last 2 snares in a hardcore production aswell as some quarter step ones (worked as part of a jungle track i had) which i cant tabulate here (i might be able to get a picture...its a bit mad...). just change the snares samples. alot of hardcore combines trance type leads with hard 4/4 kicks. off hats and fast breakbeats in the background.

most of the work is in the EQing,the effects and the levels. if you produce them well enough and you adapt some of the basic breaks here you can make a killer trance and bass rhythym going. hope that helped anyone who is interested, cuz nothing is quite as danceable as some good, clean high speed breaks :O

Great and good stuff you mentioned. Now I get to know more stuff abt breaks. Can hands on with it.

also, i forgot to add. for professional examples of breaks that integrate well with trancy synthwork id recommend studying the following

1) raiden - fallin' (renegade hardware)
2) concord dawn - morning light (timeless recordings)
3) pendulum - back 2 you (timeless recordings)
4) rawthang - epilogue (black sun recordings)
5) john b - mirror of thought (dunno the label, sorry :I)

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Originally posted by Electronicmaji breaks for prog or just general like the type Shiloh/Luke Chable/Ozgur Can do...

I thought you said you wanted good samples.

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