TranceAddict Forums (www.tranceaddict.com/forums)
- Political Discussion / Debate
-- Explain to me, why do Iraqis want US out of Iraq?
Pages (2): [1] 2 »
Explain to me, why do Iraqis want US out of Iraq?
This may sound dumb, but really, I know we shouldn't be there in the first place and no we shouldn't try to implement a government that may not fit the region. However, I just don't get it why everytime something blows up or someone gets killed, you have a bunch of Iraqis jumping for joy. Is this what the majority of Iraqis think? If we were to leave Irak now, wouldn't that create a power vacuum and start a 100 years civil war? BTW thanks Bush for making this world a better place to live in.
Re: Explain to me, why do Iraqis want US out of Iraq?
| quote: |
| Originally posted by DjSway This may sound dumb, but really, I know we shouldn't be there in the first place and no we shouldn't try to implement a government that may not fit the region. However, I just don't get it why everytime something blows up or someone gets killed, you have a bunch of Iraqis jumping for joy. Is this what the majority of Iraqis think? If we were to leave Irak now, wouldn't that create a power vacuum and start a 100 years civil war? BTW thanks Bush for making this world a better place to live in. |
Re: Re: Explain to me, why do Iraqis want US out of Iraq?
| quote: |
| Originally posted by St_Andrew perhaps you just said it by yourself? |
I dont think people worry about what will happen in the future, they just want the oppressors out of their country as soon as possible.
No matter how we twist or turn it we don't belong in their against their wishes. I am disgusted to listen to those who think that it is okay to have your army in another nation's country when they don't want you there. The fact that the Iraqi interim government has said the Coalition is now needed for the time somehow doesn't seem to be registering with some. At the end of the day the filthy Islamic militants who engage in some of these bombings can get away with it because they are not held to any accountability whatsoever. As we have seen they do not have any limits as to what despicable acts they will engage in to kill even innocent Iraqis.The entire Iraq saga is filled with individuals and groups who can best be described as disgusting, savage, inhumane degenerates, figure out who's who.
Can someone put duct tape on George W. Shrub's mouth, today again he claimed that his administration never said Iraq organized 9/11 with Al Qaeda but that they simply had contacts, who believes this shit anymore, yeah just like they had mobile labs, nuclear technology blueprints, chemical weapons, etc. All of which have been found in Iraq, right
I am an ardent supporter of removing the U.S. from Korea, Europe, Iraq, Japan. I think you see where I stand.
Too bad the election isn't until November.
I'm against the US being in Iraq, maybe Afghanistan since that osama was hiding there. But Iraq? What's next EuroDisney?
If someone invaded and occupyed my country, because we didnt subsribe to the values of the occupier, I would give my life to fight against it.
Where do you draw the line between making the world a better place and doing more harm than good, America is not the judge and jury of this, and we should not support them.
Listen to the UN, thats why they are there.
America is a great country, I just don't like how we try to play world cops. We should deal with our own problems first. Yes terorrism is international, but I think the Bush administration is approaching this problem the wrong way. Making more enemies than friends, that is not the way we're going to win this war!
| quote: |
| Originally posted by zag2me If someone invaded and occupyed my country, because we didnt subsribe to the values of the occupier, I would give my life to fight against it. Where do you draw the line between making the world a better place and doing more harm than good, America is not the judge and jury of this, and we should not support them. Listen to the UN, thats why they are there. |
| quote: |
| Originally posted by NYCTrancefan I used to be one of those idealists who believed in helping the poor Zimbabweans, Myanmar(Burmese), much of the Middle East and all the other countries with decripit governments but then came Iraq and I realized screw all of that, I became a realist and realized that humanity is too shitty to ever give two shits about each other, so I joined the club. Take care of America and leave other nations to run their countries the way they deem fit as far as I am concerned. A classic example of my point is Darfur in the Sudan, why is the U.N. not in there when they know what is going on, heaven forbid America was to send troops, bloody imperialists. Thankfully we will never set foot on that part of Africa again with troops, ehehm Somalia anyone. Meanwhile the U.N. will twiddle their thumbs while Africans are slaughtered in their own country by Arab Militias, that is human reality today. |
Re: Explain to me, why do Iraqis want US out of Iraq?
| quote: |
| Originally posted by DjSway This may sound dumb, but really, I know we shouldn't be there in the first place and no we shouldn't try to implement a government that may not fit the region. However, I just don't get it why everytime something blows up or someone gets killed, you have a bunch of Iraqis jumping for joy. Is this what the majority of Iraqis think? If we were to leave Irak now, wouldn't that create a power vacuum and start a 100 years civil war? BTW thanks Bush for making this world a better place to live in. |
Re: Re: Explain to me, why do Iraqis want US out of Iraq?
| quote: |
| Originally posted by smokeape I believe we should back up to the Kuwaiti line and run through the country one more time destroying all opposition if the fools actually want to take us on instead of laying down their arms and dressing up like women and noncombatants. |
Re: Re: Re: Explain to me, why do Iraqis want US out of Iraq?
| quote: |
| Originally posted by hardcore trancer I think the US should back up to the Kuwaiti line and get the fuck out of Iraq for good. |
Everytime they appoint a new leader he gets shot. They will keep getting shot till the one shooting them is happy with one they "appointed". It's rediculous. Im with smoke though-
They should put the word out and pamplets- Be out of town in 2 weeks. Sorry you'll have to live in the desert for 1-2 weeks but get out of town. Anyone left in the towns gets swept in the "net" of "liberation".
Pack up - Leave
Thanks Bush - Idiot.
| quote: |
| Originally posted by xKaoSx Everytime they appoint a new leader he gets shot. They will keep getting shot till the one shooting them is happy with one they "appointed". It's rediculous. Im with smoke though- They should put the word out and pamplets- Be out of town in 2 weeks. Sorry you'll have to live in the desert for 1-2 weeks but get out of town. Anyone left in the towns gets swept in the "net" of "liberation". Pack up - Leave Thanks Bush - Idiot. |
| quote: |
| Originally posted by igottaknow |
| quote: |
| Originally posted by NYCTrancefan I used to be one of those idealists who believed in helping the poor Zimbabweans, Myanmar(Burmese), much of the Middle East and all the other countries with decripit governments but then came Iraq and I realized screw all of that, I became a realist and realized that humanity is too shitty to ever give two shits about each other, so I joined the club. Take care of America and leave other nations to run their countries the way they deem fit as far as I am concerned. A classic example of my point is Darfur in the Sudan, why is the U.N. not in there when they know what is going on, heaven forbid America was to send troops, bloody imperialists. Thankfully we will never set foot on that part of Africa again with troops, ehehm Somalia anyone. Meanwhile the U.N. will twiddle their thumbs while Africans are slaughtered in their own country by Arab Militias, that is human reality today. |
My guess george hoped that this "mission" would succeed, and everyone in Iraq would love and embrace USA.
Because lets face this, how many nations are Pro USA in the middle east? not many, if Bush succeeded i think iraq woulda turn Pro USA and that would look very good for the upcoming elections.
But IMO Bush fucked it up, to many people dieng from both sides, there is no end really, the WMD arn't found, + i have not even 1 clue what will happen with Saddam now, i havn't seen anything about him since he got captured.
And Smokeape
Give Iraq a proper army and will see who will dress up as a woman
| quote: |
| Originally posted by NYCTrancefan I used to be one of those idealists who believed in helping the poor Zimbabweans, Myanmar(Burmese), much of the Middle East and all the other countries with decripit governments but then came Iraq and I realized screw all of that, I became a realist and realized that humanity is too shitty to ever give two shits about each other, so I joined the club. |
| quote: |
| Originally posted by DjSway Too bad the election isn't until November. I'm against the US being in Iraq, maybe Afghanistan since that osama was hiding there. But Iraq? What's next EuroDisney? |
But since it's too close to the election in November it's not really worth it 
| quote: |
| Originally posted by George Smiley What exactly do you think the UN is?!?! Are you refering to the great country UNia with its huge army? No! The UN is merely a collection of states who have agreed to abide by certain rules. It has no army!!!! It is not a sovereign state with an army!!!! You say America will refuse to send troops to Africa (Sudan) again and then accuse the UN of standing there while everything happens! America = UN! For security council action, the US, UK, France, China, Russia all have to agree to it. They can all veto. You say America will refuse... You have to realise that the UN cannot do anything on its own - it is no supranational entity like the EU. It can only act when it has actors (states) to do the work for it. Unfortunately, the only armies capable of doing anything of worth in the world (ie having the ability/size/strength to succeed) are America (and maybe Russia and China but not sure and dont really think they give two shits about places like the Sudan) and if America is not willing to become involved in action, then there is no one else who can! And then America has the nerve to blame the UN for standing there and doing nothing!!!! LOL!!!! THE UNITED NATIONS IS NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN A MILITARY POWER - IT HAS NO ARMY!!!!!!!!! (This is why, I am lead to believe, that the EU is constructing its own military capability, altho they would most likely be as reluctant as the US on most conflicts) |
| quote: |
| A classic example of my point is Darfur in the Sudan, why is the U.N. not in there when they know what is going on, heaven forbid America was to send troops, bloody imperialists. Thankfully we will never set foot on that part of Africa again with troops, ehehm Somalia anyone. Meanwhile the U.N. will twiddle their thumbs while Africans are slaughtered in their own country by Arab Militias, that is human reality today. |
| quote: |
| Originally posted by George Smiley What exactly do you think the UN is?!?! Are you refering to the great country UNia with its huge army? No! The UN is merely a collection of states who have agreed to abide by certain rules. It has no army!!!! It is not a sovereign state with an army!!!! You say America will refuse to send troops to Africa (Sudan) again and then accuse the UN of standing there while everything happens! America = UN! For security council action, the US, UK, France, China, Russia all have to agree to it. They can all veto. You say America will refuse... You have to realise that the UN cannot do anything on its own - it is no supranational entity like the EU. It can only act when it has actors (states) to do the work for it. Unfortunately, the only armies capable of doing anything of worth in the world (ie having the ability/size/strength to succeed) are America (and maybe Russia and China but not sure and dont really think they give two shits about places like the Sudan) and if America is not willing to become involved in action, then there is no one else who can! And then America has the nerve to blame the UN for standing there and doing nothing!!!! LOL!!!! THE UNITED NATIONS IS NOT AND NEVER HAS BEEN A MILITARY POWER - IT HAS NO ARMY!!!!!!!!! (This is why, I am lead to believe, that the EU is constructing its own military capability, altho they would most likely be as reluctant as the US on most conflicts) |
The U.S. got involved in Haiti and Aristide had the audacity to claim he was kidnapped by American forces and taken out of Haiti by force, do you doubt his claims, I wonder. What you hear in my commentary is an American who is simply disgusted with people who criticize America for acting and for not acting as well, many sit on the sidelines and watch while criticizing America at every opportunity. I therefore don't give a damn anymore and only have an interest in helping America domestically. I use to be a forward thinker but no longer in today's world and that was the essence of my post.
| quote: |
| Originally posted by rupert How very trite. The UNHCR is providing aid to the refugees of Darfur even as we speak. The UN is required under the Charter to respect state sovereignty so it is only in rare circumstances that it can go into a country without the consent of the government of that state. And as was pointed out before the UN has no army and zero capacity to act unilaterally. Despite its weakness and structural inefficiencies the UN and its institutions are the best hope that the weak have. But even the limited amount of good the UN does is too much for your government. To quote one of US administration officials after the Iraq war. "I hope when Iraq falls so does the UN". The UN has been starved of funds by the USA for years because the right wingers, (there are no moderates running the USA) see it as an independant power against US hegemony. As for Iraq, I think the Iraqi sentiment can be summed up as "thanks for getting rid of Saddam, now fuck off" But that isnt going to happen. The USA is there to stay. Chalmers Johnson an eminent US historian of the old school; a real conservative has noted that the US is building 14 bases in Iraq. The USA wants to stabilize the situation so it can reduce the troop numbers but there is no intention of pulling out entirely. The only way the USA is going to leave is because the Iraqis are going to force the USA to leave. It takes shear unimaginable stupidity of the highest calibre to erode the good will which should exist in Iraq right now towards the USA. Saddam and his cronies were largely despised by the vast majority of the population and yet now there are daily attacks against the US and its puppets. No Iraqi respects the US imposed stooges in power now and no Iraqi expects anything will change with the handover. A large segment of the population or at least those that count, the guys with guns and bombs view them rightly as US puppets. The USA never learns any lessons. It will lose the Iraq war with the US pulling out its embassy staff in helicopters just like in Saigon. Far from stabilizing the Middle East, the Iraq war wont protect american oil interests and it wont protect Israel. The parallels between US action in Fallujah and Israeli action in the West Bank are plainly obvious to any arab. So when the Iraqis kick out the americans they are going to start to plan on helping their brothers in Palestine. |
Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright © 2000-2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.