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Captors behead U.S. hostage Johnson

Well- Sad- but you pretty much knew it was going to happen...

So lets go over what this whole thing accomplished for them....
oh yea- nothing- They're right back to where they started- their "leader" still captive and now they're looking for more easy targets to capture and behead.

Seriously though- Say we do get out - what do people like this do after we leave? They dont have anything better to do so this is their life. Why do I doubt that once we leave- they will go back to their jobs at jack in the box or making quilts.



(CNN) -- Al Qaeda militants kept a pledge to kill their American hostage, posting three chilling photographs Friday on an Islamist Web site to prove they had beheaded Paul Johnson Jr.

The Lockheed Martin Corp. employee was kidnapped in Riyadh last Saturday. Sources in Riyadh said Johnson's body was found in the eastern part of Riyadh; official statements are expected soon.

Abdel Aziz Al-Muqrin, the self-proclaimed military leader of al Qaeda in Saudi Arabia, had threatened Tuesday to kill Johnson in 72 hours unless the Saudi government released al Qaeda prisoners and Westerners left the Arabian Peninsula.

"As we promised, we the mujahedeen from the Falluja Squadron slaughtered the American hostage Paul Johnson after the deadline we gave to the Saudi tyrants," a statement said on the Web site. It has been translated from the Arabic.

"So he got his fair share from this life and for him to taste a bit of what the Muslims have been suffering from Apache helicopter attacks. They were tortured by its missiles."

Johnson, 49, worked on Apache helicopters in Saudi Arabia and had lived there for more than a decade.

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell condemned what he called an "action of barbarism."

"It shows once again what the world is dealing with -- to behead somebody or murder somebody, somebody innocent who was only trying to help," he said. "It will cause us and the Saudis to redouble our efforts to go after the terrorists wherever they are, wherever they hide."

But a senior U.S. State Department official told CNN the United States would now act to "batten down the hatch and don't give them an easy target," and urge Americans to leave the country.

"We want Americans to leave. We want the people that are there to take appropriate precautions," the official said.

The official added that Johnson lived away from the heavy fortified expatriate compounds and "was a sitting duck."

The al Qaeda Web statement also said the killing was "a lesson for them to learn for whoever comes to our country, this will be their punishment."

Al-Muqrin had claimed responsibility for Johnson's kidnapping and the death of another American, Kenneth Scroggs, on Saturday on behalf of a group called the Al Falluja Squadron, which claims to have ties to al Qaeda.

The photographs on the Web site plainly show the face of Johnson, the man seen in videotapes with his captors earlier this week.

*waites for people to say Bush did it*

This stuff is just sad and disturbing and even more disturbing to me that even if they are caught they will probably just go to prison.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil *waites for people to say Bush did it* This stuff is just sad and disturbing and even more disturbing to me that even if they are caught they will probably just go to prison.

What if the intermin government gets in power and they catch the people who did this after we leave? would they actually punish them? I doubt it.

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Originally posted by xKaoSx What if the intermin government gets in power and they catch the people who did this after we leave? would they actually punish them? I doubt it.

i'm not sure where your going with that statement, but this was in Saudi Arabia.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil *waites for people to say Bush did it*

igottaknow beat everybody http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=189969

Are you guys still surprised any longer, I certainly am not. These individuals truly are two-bit degenerate, intolerant, mad dogs of the Middle East. Look at us we chop heads off and our God is greater than yours and will welcome us to paradise for espousing our intolerant, subhumanoid views onto the infidels. If I was Muslim in Saudi Arabia I would be nervous that these are the "vanguards of revolutionary action" in my country, then I remember many Saudis accept this behavior be it tacit or implicit so what difference does it make.

If I was Westerner in Saudi Arabia I would realize the risks and leave, that is the best available option. A repugnant, intolerant, undemocratic and religously driven society such as Saudi Arabia can never defend a Westerner, those guarding you might kill you. Even the Saudi government has body guards from other Muslim countries because they can't trust their own. Welcome to a zealous, religous society, death to the infidels

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Originally posted by Q5echo i'm not sure where your going with that statement, but this was in Saudi Arabia.

I meant the reference to US capturing them they would go to prison- maybe if Iraqi officials caught them they would execute the ******s.

I wish the heads that were rolling would be in the White House and Pentagon instead of innocent civilians who are paying the price for bush's mistakes.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan If I was Westerner in Saudi Arabia I would realize the risks and leave, that is the best available option. A repugnant, intolerant, undemocratic and religously driven society such as Saudi Arabia can never defend a Westerner, those guarding you might kill you. Even the Saudi government has body guards from other Muslim countries because they can't trust their own. Welcome to a zealous, religous society, death to the infidels

LOL - Werd

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan Are you guys still surprised any longer, I certainly am not. These individuals truly are two-bit degenerate, intolerant, mad dogs of the Middle East. Look at us we chop heads off and our God is greater than yours and will welcome us to paradise for espousing our intolerant, subhumanoid views onto the infidels. If I was Muslim in Saudi Arabia I would be nervous that these are the "vanguards of revolutionary action" in my country, then I remember many Saudis accept this behavior be it tacit or implicit so what difference does it make. If I was Westerner in Saudi Arabia I would realize the risks and leave, that is the best available option. A repugnant, intolerant, undemocratic and religously driven society such as Saudi Arabia can never defend a Westerner, those guarding you might kill you. Even the Saudi government has body guards from other Muslim countries because they can't trust their own. Welcome to a zealous, religous society, death to the infidels

It's not even religion. The top Saudi clerics openly stated that those who murdered innocent hostages such as Johnson would NOT get into heaven. This has absolutely nothing to do with religion or Iraq or Bush. THe goal of Al-Qaeda is quite clear. If they drive out all foreigners from Saudi Arabia the monarchy will crumble. The monarchy NEEDS foreign workers and they need foreign investment. Without them, their position destabilizes which creates a power vacuum that Al-Qaeda can fill. Therefore, they don't give two shits whether religious clerics condemn the murder. I would go so far to say that they didn't want the Saudis to cooperate and release prisoners.

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Originally posted by igottaknow I wish the heads that were rolling would be in the White House and Pentagon instead of innocent civilians who are paying the price for bush's mistakes.

I wonder if it actually BOTHERS GW or does it just roll off his prickled back and shrugs it off?

I for one couldnt have it on my head that I was responsible (when it really comes down to it) for 2 americans being beheaded. That's not very good publicity for the Bush campaign.

Next we'll see slogans with Reagans' casket and two beheaded body's and the caption saying something rediculous because "I APPROVE OF THIS MESSAGE" or whatever the idiot does.

I am so embarrassed for my own country sometimes.

and dats why kerry must win

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Originally posted by xKaoSx I wonder if it actually BOTHERS GW or does it just roll off his prickled back and shrugs it off? I for one couldnt have it on my head that I was responsible (when it really comes down to it) for 2 americans being beheaded. That's not very good publicity for the Bush campaign. Next we'll see slogans with Reagans' casket and two beheaded body's and the caption saying something rediculous because "I APPROVE OF THIS MESSAGE" or whatever the idiot does. I am so embarrassed for my own country sometimes.

First of all, Nick Berg and Paul Johnson were civilian subcontractors. Dubya didn't send them over there, and they probably knew full well the risks involved, but thought that the opportunity was worth the risk.

Furthermore, I am sure that Bush, his administration, and anybody else with a concious and a moral compass is deeply disturbed and saddened by their deaths.

It's funny to watch a president's hair turn grey while they're in office. For a while I thought Clinton was dying his hair, but to look at what a president has to deal with on a daily basis it's no wonder they go grey so quickly.

Well, Bush came on while I was writing this and I can say he is pissed. Obviously these events are disturbing to him.

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Originally posted by xKaoSx Next we'll see slogans with Reagans' casket and two beheaded body's and the caption saying something rediculous because "I APPROVE OF THIS MESSAGE" or whatever the idiot does.

Both Bush and Kerry use that line in all of their commercials. I've noticed it too. I think it must be some sort of political disclaimer that they're required to add to their commercials. Or maybe it's something they do to let the public know it's an official commercial sponsored by the candidate and not some other group putting on a commercial with their own funds. I'd like to see Kerry use the "APPROVE" disclaimer on a moveon.org ad. Somehow I don't think I should hold my breath.

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Originally posted by Shakka Furthermore, I am sure that Bush, his administration, and anybody else with a concious and a moral compass is deeply disturbed and saddened by their deaths.

I think that is a lot of ASSUME 'ing

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Originally posted by igottaknow I wish the heads that were rolling would be in the White House and Pentagon instead of innocent civilians who are paying the price for bush's mistakes.

your so diluted.

you can't see past your own nose.

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Originally posted by xKaoSx I think that is a lot of ASSUME 'ing

an innocent civilian working in saudia was brutally executed, i dont think its a lot to assume that anyone, including bush, would be disturbed by it.

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Originally posted by occrider It's not even religion. The top Saudi clerics openly stated that those who murdered innocent hostages such as Johnson would NOT get into heaven. This has absolutely nothing to do with religion or Iraq or Bush. THe goal of Al-Qaeda is quite clear. If they drive out all foreigners from Saudi Arabia the monarchy will crumble. The monarchy NEEDS foreign workers and they need foreign investment. Without them, their position destabilizes which creates a power vacuum that Al-Qaeda can fill. Therefore, they don't give two shits whether religious clerics condemn the murder. I would go so far to say that they didn't want the Saudis to cooperate and release prisoners.

I certainly realize the deeper parameters of such actions Occ, of course it is not religion exclusively. Where the problem begins however is in a Saudi society that teaches that non-Muslims and those deemed to be infidels are essentially not entitled to any rights, can you imagine if we started picking off Muslims here in America one by one with a shotgun blast, it would not happen, but the reality is that Saudi society and the religous teachings make people believe within Saudi Arabia that it is while not admittedly acceptable, there is an indifference and even well it doesn't affect me attitude about the murdering of foreigners. Poverty, lack of freedoms, corruption, all are factors that affect Saudi society today. Religion however so intertwined into that society gives a justification to look outward at others and even kill them because they are different and it is taught that it is okay to look down on them.

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Originally posted by NYCTrancefan I certainly realize the deeper parameters of such actions Occ, of course it is not religion exclusively. Where the problem begins however is in a Saudi society that teaches that non-Muslims and those deemed to be infidels are essentially not entitled to any rights, can you imagine if we started picking off Muslims here in America one by one with a shotgun blast. It would not happen, but the reality is that Saudi society and the religous teachings make people believe within Saudi Arabia that it is while not admittedly acceptable, there is an indifference and even well it doesn't affect me attitude. Poverty, lack of freedoms, corruption, all are factors that affect Saudi society today. Religion however so intertwined into that society gives a justification to look outward at others and even kill them because they are different and it is taught that it is okay to look down on them.

Basically an Introverted Society with bombs and guns. That's always good.

It's interesting the terrorist use the same form of execution as the our friends, the Saudi Government, I wonder if we invaded the wrong country. hmmmm...

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Originally posted by xKaoSx Basically an Introverted Society with bombs and guns. That's always good.

if it werent for WMD's and international terror plots i would be tempted to allow them to do as they wish and let them have their "dark ages" so that they could eventually come upon a renassiance of their own and see the errors of their way.

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Originally posted by igottaknow It's interesting the terrorist use the same form of execution as the our friends, the Saudi Government, I wonder if we invaded the wrong country. hmmmm...

Haha, I didn't even realize that however unlike the U.S. government who may consider them friends, I look upon them with contempt, indignation, callousness and a sense of zero trust in such people. Saudi Arabia is no friend of mine and I feel many Americans share those feelings.

What a wonderful world we live in! You can scratch off Middle east and Muslim nations from my travel spots.

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Originally posted by Izzy if it werent for WMD's and international terror plots i would be tempted to allow them to do as they wish and let them have their "dark ages" so that they could eventually come upon a renassiance of their own and see the errors of their way.

Maybe they should learn to crawl before they walk.

Do we have 100 years to spare for them?

Let's send Martha Stewart over there for some ethics training.

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Originally posted by DjSway What a wonderful world we live in! You can scratch off Middle east and Muslim nations from my travel spots.

Lordy- What country ARE we safe to travel in without armed posse?

I think both of my hands will suffice a number

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