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| I think i've been completely ruining my records or something... I thought you hit play, straight up stopped the platter, found the place in the record, and while the table is still running (but stopped) you just let off the platter so it starts spinnin' again.... |
im not too sure. sometimes it happens to me but im actually holding onto the vinyl not the platter. if i hold onto the platter i start to feel and hear a grinding noise which doesnt sound right to me. the way i do it is i hold onto the side of the vinyl while cueing...
umm, ok, i thought this was common knowledge (unless me and all my friends are doing it wrong). normally, we first listen to the record and pitch it as well as we can, then we find our cue point, and we "grab" the beat we want to put in, ie. we stop the vinyl with our fingers, i like using that sort of outer rim most vinyls have, we bring the beat in, back and forth synchronized with out live track's beats, and let go when it's time. then we apply corrections/go back to our cue point and "throw our record in" again if necessary.
well if you have slip mats under the record usually you can stop the record and the platter si still spinning.
If I am understanding you right.
I don't really think that stopping the platter does any good to your decks...and any grinding noise = bad news.
If you can't hold the vinyl still as the platter moves (without slowing the platter down significantly) then your slipmats blow ass. If you're using the stock technis slipmats, try using the little plastic sheet between the slip mat and rubber mat.
Basically when I cue I just put the needle down around the first beat (or wherever I want it), and let it play or back spin into place, get it behind the first beat, then press stop and wait for the right time to let it go (or just go ahead and let it play if im beatmatching).
if you're having friction problems, get a grocery bag (plastic) and cut out a 12" circular piece, put it in between the slipmat and the platter, works wonders.
I used to keep the entire platter stopped when cue'ing and just give it a big nudge when the cue-point came. I found that if you have a good pair of slip-mats, grabbing the vinyl on the side and letting the platter spin underneath it is the way to go. Not only does this help with the pick-up time of the record (Time it takes for the record to go from 0 to the designated rpm/pitch) But it helps make sure the beat you're trying to cue stays locked on. (I found that when I used to grab the whole platter, that the needle would skip quite a lot while cue'ing).
hm.. I've read on the forums about how you're supposed to stop the vinyl with your finger and let the platter keep running... that's why I brought this up in the first place... so you just put your finger on the side of the vinyl? it just seems that it's easier to stop the whole thing to find the first beat... you know, you can move the platter back and forth a bit so you can hear it.
on a lighter note, there's been no grinding noise at all... oh by the way I'm using 2 numark tt-200's (thanks a ton opianstate) I guess my problem before when I tried stopping just the vinyl and not the platter is I tried lifting up the vinyl a little bit (i figured that's the only way you could stop it). thanks for the advice fellas
omega, you don't stop the platter. you just keep it spinning. You can also move the record back and forth when the platter is spinning, that will make cueing easier. You've seen turntablists, right? And your not gonna break anything. BTW the numark stock slipmats suck so look to upgrade sometime.
Come to think of it, I would think it would be sort of tough to always be stopping the platter, never really tried to do so...
I actually used the rubber "slipmats" (cough cough) that came with my Techs for the first few months I was playing, then bought proper felt? ones shortly after. Even when I used the rubber mats, I'm pretty sure that the platter was still spinning underneath them.
Never stop the platter in order to cue up a record. The platter should always be spinning and the record should stop under your fingers if your slipmats are proper. If you stop the platter, you are fighting the turntable motor and will GREATLY decrease it's life.
thtas the whole point of mats- to slip over the platter.
when you let go the record, the platter doesnt have to then speed up- it just goes.
you are making things hard for yourself
you are also making life difficult if you actually use the rubber mats.
these ARE NOT built for djing, take them off.
moving the record backwards and forwards over the beat (or back-cueing as it is called) will not kill your records too much, unless you are waiting for like half a track.. in which case just stop the deck and wait, or (i would advise this one with numark decks as they have shite motors in most) leave the record spinning and just whack the needle on when you are ready and find your beat
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| Originally posted by Dirk W. Never stop the platter in order to cue up a record. The platter should always be spinning and the record should stop under your fingers if your slipmats are proper. If you stop the platter, you are fighting the turntable motor and will GREATLY decrease it's life. |
I think I'm understanding now. Yes, when you finally send your next record off, you want to keep the platter spinning, but when you are cue'ing up your next song, find the incomming point, then STOP the platter until you are ready to mix in. I don't know if other TA's do this, but when I'm trying to find the start point on a song, I plop the needle down a bit into the song, then backspin with the platter stopped until I hit the start point. Then I match beats up, stop the platter, backspin again to the start point and voila: Ready to mix in. When the time comes to drop the beat in, start the platter, grabbing the side of the vinyl with the platter spinning underneath, (Like has been said, good slipmats are a must.) Rock the beat back and forth and release when the time is right.
I think that most of these points are mentioned above, but I'll summarize anyway to clarify points.
First off, you NEVER want your platter to stop unless you are not actively Djing. The platters should never stop until the music stops--if not for the following reasions, then for what it means to be a DJ--never let the music stop.
Anyway, there are two main reasons that you don't want to stop the entire platter. First, I'll discuss this grinding sound. There are two types of turntables, direct drive and belt drive. To make a long story short, the grinding noise happens when you stop the platter on a belt-drive. This occurs because you are physically halting the motor and buring it out. With direct drive the magnetic field can "slip" so that the motor encounters resistance, but never does the motor actually STOP completely.
The other reason that you don't want to stop the physical platter is due to the startup delay. The platter can bring the record up to correct speed quicker by slipping above the moving platter until it's release, rather than the motor having to start the weight of the heavy platter and the record combined. You'll still need to push the record off a bit, but you just hold the vinyl over the first beat. You should be able to pull the beat back and forth under the needle so that you can count 1.2.1234 and release with a slight push to time the release so that it is phrasematched.
If you want to learn more about the specifics of beatmatching, here is a link if you want to read up. What I didn't mention (I'm second to last post) is that another reason that BD tables suck is due to belt wear, slippage and stretching etc.
One thing i always heard whenever i was a Trainie on this board was use wax paper and i did and boom it really did help...Sometimes you have to get a little ghetto in the beginning
i like using waxpaper under my felt mats
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