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When can we predict the FALL?

nowadays almost every software, games, and mp3 is available for download, one place or another on the web, programs worth thousands of dollars can be found and illegaly downloaded for free, what WILL eventually happen, cause it is a fact that INTERNET gets faster adn faster every year, it will always get faster, better, and there will be more people using it, as I said u can download about anything, in alot of years you will also actually be able to download Hardware, in terms of Nanomachines...

and when internet is growing and growing, what will happen to all those who develop those applications and music programs, not to talk about all those producers and record companies, those mentioned will eventually go DOWN to a big FALL, to a point where it no reason to make new programs, no reason to release new music, cause there is no market for it, at one point that WILL happen, cause the stream of illegal music, appz and games are flowing around everywhere in those big time "peer 2 peer" file sharing programs, like Kazaa, DC++, Soulseek, e-mule etc... those NEEDS to be shut down to stop atleast SOME of the illegal flow..

and when the web gets so fast that u easily can download a whole movie in a couple of hours, even the movie buisness is gonna fall... and who is the winner of all this, yes!, that is microsoft and other computer based buisness..

when CAN we perdict a fall?

any thoughts about this?

Nanomachines.... everyone alive today will die before that happens
The producers.... them figuring out better ways to make their software/productions more resistant to piracy coupled with a good portion of the population NOT using p2p and purchasing everything will keep them alive
Movies.... they have been huge for more than 75 years; people won't going to theaters

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they have been huge for more than 75 years; people won't going to theaters

there is a difference between seeing a movie on your computer and on a big screen.....there is not a difference between a song or game you download...


this should probably have been posted in cor...

As technology changes, so will industry and commerce. I agree that the changing face of the Internet world makes it harder for traditional industries to do business. Now they resist; eventually they will embrace this change and adapt. Look at the recording industries. Much gnashing of teeth of late. What will happen eventually? Probably the elimination of record labels. Who needs them? They just take all the artists' money. One day nobody will be "signed" but will release all their music online, available for purchase and download.

unfortunately, al ot of these pre-release things get leaked into the scene by backstabbers, a producer sends it to a so called internet friend and the next thing you know its "out there".

I know I used to be a part of it all but I can honestly say I havent downloaded any "rips" from groups in a long long time. I only ever download ASOT rips from a friend from Holland who records them via digital radio, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, I burn the mix to CD and listen to it non-stop in my car, got about 30 ASOT episodes in my car now its wonderful to listen to when your driving about, Probspot - Foreplay especially in this weather!

As for mp3 scene and others, I feel that the gaming scene has died quite a lot, a lot less stuff is being leaked around which is good. I cant imagine how annoyed a producer is when something gets leaked out before the retail date and it affects sales, you can say what u like about me when I used to be a "member" but I've worked out that I've spent over �17,500 on records in the last 5 years, I've bought everything I have ever released.

Anyhow, thats why I left 11 months ago, because of the collapse of Lightning Records, my favourite main label, it made me think twice and I am completely against it now, and I truthfully have not downloaded anything but ASOT and old stuff from pre 2004 that I had on vinyl that I sold or whatever.

Cheers,

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 there is a difference between seeing a movie on your computer and on a big screen.....there is not a difference between a song or game you download...

Yes there is. The quality for one. And the fact of actually having a record in your hands is something that can't be replaced by mp3s. I know that I've been buying a lot more records ever since I started downloading mp3s than I did before...

This has been discussed a million times though... copying music to c-cassettes was supposed to kill music industry. Copying movies to VHS's was going to kill the movie industry. Yet both are making more money today than they ever were.

And what about games then? Back when I was a kid everything was copied from others. I bet some of us didn't even know you could actually buy games let alone know it was illegal. Nowadays games take years to write and they're done on budgets larger than some movies.
I feel the gaming industry needs to go back to the basics and focus on the quality/originality of the game instead of doing another rehash of a shoot-em-up with ever so slightly better graphics and physics engine...

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery *snip*

well said Mr Mystery, exactly the same, I used to buy a lot more thanks to mp3's, now I hear stuff via ASOT and via record shops samples..

Re: When can we predict the FALL?

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Originally posted by Subtle and when the web gets so fast that u easily can download a whole movie in a couple of hours

you can already do this
WIth my comcast service I managed to get a full 700MB divx in around 30 min

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 there is a difference between seeing a movie on your computer and on a big screen.....there is not a difference between a song or game you download... this should probably have been posted in cor...

yeah i don't go to the movies to watch the movie...i go to have sex in the back row...

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Yes there is. The quality for one.

obviousely there isnt much of a quality difference if djs are now moving to playing off cd-r & labtop

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I know that I've been buying a lot more records ever since I started downloading mp3s than I did before...

I have too, ive spent 4k the past 3 months on stuff...

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This has been discussed a million times though... copying music to c-cassettes was supposed to kill music industry. Copying movies to VHS's was going to kill the movie industry. Yet both are making more money today than they ever were.

i agree

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I feel the gaming industry needs to go back to the basics and focus on the quality/originality of the game instead of doing another rehash of a shoot-em-up with ever so slightly better graphics and physics engine...

check out unreal 3 it fakin amazing...

what's this nanomachines technologies ?? can someone explain ??

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what's this nanomachines technologies

im prety sure hes talking about, microscopic chips & processors.

Hmm

About music, i agree leaking something is harsh, and your really low doin something like that.

However downloading something that is been out for a while,i don't know why there is alot of fuzz about it.

Downloading gives a producer/dj a bigger name also, and you need a good name to survive right?

Downloading also helps the buy vinyl/cd freaks alot, and there alot of these people in the trance genre, these people can download and review stuff, buy what they like and ignore they don't like.

I think Unlike pop/rap music, trance is based on desires and not money or fame, and thats what make trance underground and good.

A dj desires to play for the big crowd, desires to get recognized, of cource money and fame do have a small roll, but not so big imo.

EDM producers that desire fame and money, and make crap and fast music, will fall, because their audiance are kiddies, and kiddies download and leak .

let me reitorate (spelling) I didnt do any leaking....

I'm not really worried as for as electronic music goes, because it is driven by record sales. If your a producer your not gonna make shit on cd's ...who want's to pay 20 bucks for a cd when they have all the records or know someone who has all the records. Viynl will never go out, because its special and sometimes rare... unlike cd's which you can copy over and over in your home. Produce good tracks and you should not have a problem!

Entire industries never really fall catastrophically. They always somehow evolve to do different things that allow them to exist and remain profitable. It seems people like to think about the sudden destruction of basically anything in life (society, companies, the environment...) but it never really happens. Happened with the food industry during the tin scare back in the post war era (they realized the usefullness of plastic), it's gonna happen with the fossil fuel scare that we'll have this century (there are so many other sources of energy).

It'll happen with our entertainment industries too. They'll find a way to keep charging us and still produce stuff. Don't worry, they're not going anywhere anytime soon...

Besides, the whole music industry "music sharing is eating up sales" arguement is complete crap. There was a study that looked at mp3 downloading peaks and record industry sales drops and realized there was no correlation between the two. People who download are not going to buy the music in the first place! And sharing helps our industry. Half the producers in EDM are only as well known as they are because of file sharing...

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Originally posted by Subtle nowadays almost every software, games, and mp3 is available for download, one place or another on the web, programs worth thousands of dollars can be found and illegaly downloaded for free, what WILL eventually happen, cause it is a fact that INTERNET gets faster adn faster every year, it will always get faster, better, and there will be more people using it, as I said u can download about anything, in alot of years you will also actually be able to download Hardware, in terms of Nanomachines... and when internet is growing and growing, what will happen to all those who develop those applications and music programs, not to talk about all those producers and record companies, those mentioned will eventually go DOWN to a big FALL, to a point where it no reason to make new programs, no reason to release new music, cause there is no market for it, at one point that WILL happen, cause the stream of illegal music, appz and games are flowing around everywhere in those big time "peer 2 peer" file sharing programs, like Kazaa, DC++, Soulseek, e-mule etc... those NEEDS to be shut down to stop atleast SOME of the illegal flow.. and when the web gets so fast that u easily can download a whole movie in a couple of hours, even the movie buisness is gonna fall... and who is the winner of all this, yes!, that is microsoft and other computer based buisness.. when CAN we perdict a fall? any thoughts about this?

Nowadays? Dude, I remember downloading songs off audiogalaxy's ftp search and swapping warez with my friends 5 years ago - it's not like this is some brand new problem they suddenly have to deal with.

You speak as if there will be no reason to release new music any more once there is no longer any expectation of monetary profit from doing so. Since when has making music been entirely about profit? I'd be damn flattered that people were enjoying my music no matter how they got their hands on it. Some of histories greatest musicians have struggled with financial problems (like Beethoven and Mozart).

Besides, it's not as if people don't want to support the artists they enjoy (well I'm sure some don't care, but most do). You're predicting the downfall of music with faster internet and easy trading - I see it as a golden opportunity for the music industry. I downloaded tracks back in the day because I simply had no other alternative to hear the music I loved. I live in Bumfuck, Georgia. Ever try walking into a CD shop around here and seeing what kind of EDM selection they have? Shops like Amazon are nice for albums, but thats about it. What was I supposed to do for single tracks? Buy the vinyl for $10 a pop? I didn't even own any sort of turntable back then, let alone have the ability to rip the song to my computer, where I prefer to listen to my music (my best and only pair of speakers are PC speakers).

But with broadband becoming more and more available, the music industry has the chance to make a killing by offering high quality, un-DRM'ed tracks for purchase online. Companies like Beat Port are already leading the way.

Btw, you can bet your ass that a lot of EDM artists wouldn't be where they are today without the exposure they get with mp3's. Hell, if it weren't for rampant music piracy, I'd have never even known this kind of music existed. It was with mp3's that I discovered and grew to love this crazy computer music. And today I own two turntables, a mixer, and some $700 or so worth of records, and I've already got plans to buy more gear and tunes. If it weren't for music piracy, the music industry wouldn't have seen one cent of all this money I've spent.

I'm not too worried about the software industry, either. Software piracy has been around a long, long, long time - even back in the day, you could just gather up a bunch of buddies to pitch in for some new software, buy one copy and whore it around endlessly. Products like Photoshop are now the standard because everyone has gotten their hands on them (one way or another). Any kid who can download Photoshop in his bedroom probably doesn't have $700 to spend on his own copy. So Adobe loses no revenue from his actions, since it's quite safe to say he wouldn't have bought it anyways. Instead, if this kid ever does become a big time graphic designer, you can probably bet that he's going to include a copy of photoshop on his purchase list, since he's already familiar with the program.

Oh, and there's always going to be plenty of incentive to make software. You can find an endless amount of freeware programs out there on the web. What about Linux? A whole fucking operating system, complete with lots and lots of apps and tools - and it's FREE. You can even download the whole source code to it, hack it and tweak it as you like, and share you're creations with others.

Btw, I can download a full movie in a few hours TODAY, and yet the movie industry still seems to be making quite a killing. Spiderman, Lord of the Rings, The Matrix, etc have all been raking in the cash big time, like never before.

record labels are going to morph into online stores and keep on leeching the artists

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Originally posted by nrjizer What about Linux? A whole fucking operating system, complete with lots and lots of apps and tools - and it's FREE. You can even download the whole source code to it, hack it and tweak it as you like, and share you're creations with others.

Linux is not freee. GNU does not mean you can not charge for your program. The licence is open source. Wich means that when you get a program buy/download/etc you recieve access to the source code.

For example Corel Linux is not free you just get access to the code.

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Originally posted by Dr. Cfire Linux is not freee. GNU does not mean you can not charge for your program. The licence is open source. Wich means that when you get a program buy/download/etc you recieve access to the source code. For example Corel Linux is not free you just get access to the code.

Well unless I'm mistaken there are certain distributions that do cost money, but there are others that do not. Still, there are definately people who will use their own free time to help develop software regardless.

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Originally posted by nrjizer Well unless I'm mistaken there are certain distributions that do cost money, but there are others that do not. Still, there are definately people who will use their own free time to help develop software regardless.

My point was that all distros of linux are free. Yes there are free ones and there are some that are not. The point was that in general linux is not free, but it can be.

I don't think that it'll get that out of control, majority of people are still buying CDs and vinyl, now you would think mainstream would suffer because P2P programs have mainstream coming out the ass and so therefore mainstream is always at your fingertips but there is still lots of people who buy CDs and feel that it's "morally wrong" to download etc.

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Originally posted by nrjizer I live in Bumfuck, Georgia.

Totally unrelated to this thread, but, excuse me...Bumfuck?

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Originally posted by Choobak Entire industries never really fall catastrophically. They always somehow evolve to do different things that allow them to exist and remain profitable. It'll happen with our entertainment industries too. They'll find a way to keep charging us and still produce stuff. Don't worry, they're not going anywhere anytime soon... Besides, the whole music industry "music sharing is eating up sales" arguement is complete crap. There was a study that looked at mp3 downloading peaks and record industry sales drops and realized there was no correlation between the two. People who download are not going to buy the music in the first place! And sharing helps our industry. Half the producers in EDM are only as well known as they are because of file sharing...

This basically sums up my opinion

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Originally posted by Floorfiller yeah i don't go to the movies to watch the movie...i go to have sex in the back row...

I wondered who that creepy guy was all alone in the back!

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