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Black Eyed Peas feat. Justin Timberlake - Where is the Love

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Music Discussion This is where you can talk about Trance, or any electronic music.

We tend to believe that whenever a genre gets too popular (or has some superstar's name in it), it automatically loses its quality, since it's (in our belief) made solely for the purpose of hitting the chart for a couple of weeks, be bought and forgotten in a dusty CD somewhere in the darkness of our wardrobe, with smelly socks on top. As if it were going back to its origins, in order to remain in silence after a meaningless spam (sp?) of existence.

This tunes proves us wrong. Its vibe reminds me of what trance used to be some years ago, sad and uplifting, talent from pop stars that got rid of their inflated egos. The lyrics are of very humble skills, mostly using simple rhymes, but deep nonetheless. Obviously trance and hip-hop differ on what their goals are, even though they're both party music produced with electronic equipment. Despite of these differences, this is a clear sign that it doesn't matter whether a tune is popular, if it's cheesy or if it's composed by the world's greatest producer. It reminds us of how simple and rare true beauty is, as it doesn't come from pretention of being the greatest music ever or the will of being beautiful. It just is.

Thumbs up for the people behind this tune, not only for its pleasant melody but also for its lesson to listeners and producers of other genres, no matter whether they're underground or not.

By the way, it hasn't been remixed yet, right?

Congrads on making a personal find that could have been expedited with the use of drugs.

I disagree with you. This song is an utterly pathetic attempt at trying to stab at the underground/mainstream market. BEP USED to be a rockin hip hop group, until Elephunk came out. Now they are all over the radio and TV, and the quality of their songs has diminshed significantly if you can't tell. Not to say that they are bad or anything, but to use this song as a representative example of your personal epiphany is kinda...well, a little underminded.

Dont get me wrong...this song is really uplifting and charismatic in a way that most hip hop songs fail to convey(and the reason why so many close minded people on this board disregard hip hop based on their own kindergarten reasoning), and the lyrics are great too, but trust me dog...there's a whole 'nother world of intellectual rap and deeper hip hop that really hits the spot. This discussion is analagous to using the likes of Time of Our Lives or any other 'popular' trance song as a representative of true, good underground music.

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Originally posted by dJohn but to use this song as a representative example of your personal epiphany is kinda...well, a little underminded. .

LOL it is his personal epiphany and ur judging it!!

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Originally posted by dJohn Congrads on making a personal find that could have been expedited with the use of drugs.

I disagree with you here, but I don't want to hijack this thread to something completely futile as the discussion of "drugs and music", as it's been done many times.

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Originally posted by dJohn This song is an utterly pathetic attempt at trying to stab at the underground/mainstream market. BEP USED to be a rockin hip hop group, until Elephunk came out. Now they are all over the radio and TV, and the quality of their songs has diminshed significantly if you can't tell. Not to say that they are bad or anything, but to use this song as a representative example of your personal epiphany is kinda...well, a little underminded.

The reason why I brought up this particular song is because, in spite of the obvious popularity gathered, it becomes outstanding when compared to the rest of the tunes in the chart - like you said, "this song is really uplifting and charismatic in a way that most hip hop songs fail to convey", regardless of what their previous tunes are like (I admit that, after listening to "Where is the love?", I'm keen to learn more about them). Sometimes the change that seem inferior to its origin is just a matter of point of view: when the Prodigy released "The Fat of The Land" people instantly claimed it had not the quality of their 2 previous albums, even though it was an important boost in the history of electronic music, giving birth (along with some other important acts) to big beat. Maybe this is one of these changes.

My point is that a good tune can hit the chart, and the true quality starts by the simple idea that everything's got to flow naturally. Trance, for example, has had its image blurred after giving emphasis (sp?) on its artsy side way too much, becoming boring and being bashed by haters due to its 3 min build-ups.

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Originally posted by WeDriftDeeper LOL it is his personal epiphany and ur judging it!!

Well, this is the way he sees it. Once I posted my thoughts here, I showed I was looking for different points of view, and that's how he sees this song and what I think of it.

Although I'm not fond of labelling things as "lowbrow", "highbrow", "superior" and "inferior" as we may fall in the pit of elitism by doing it, that's the way he found to express himself (which is far from being arbitrary or random), showing he's got a different a opinion as he seems to have a deeper background on the genre than I have. Besides, I'm glad we all have different tastes, otherwise this board would be somewhat useless

I really, really dislike this song.

And would you really call this electronic music?

it got really annoying, same with the shut up tune

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Originally posted by stamper And would you really call this electronic music?

Produced with samplers and synths, I don't know how it could not be labelled as electronic.

Re: Black Eyed Peas feat. Justin Timberlake - Where is the Love

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Originally posted by Lira This tunes proves us wrong. Its vibe reminds me of what trance used to be some years ago, sad and uplifting, talent from pop stars that got rid of their inflated egos. The lyrics are of very humble skills, mostly using simple rhymes, but deep nonetheless. Obviously trance and hip-hop differ on what their goals are, even though they're both party music produced with electronic equipment. Despite of these differences, this is a clear sign that it doesn't matter whether a tune is popular, if it's cheesy or if it's composed by the world's greatest producer. It reminds us of how simple and rare true beauty is, as it doesn't come from pretention of being the greatest music ever or the will of being beautiful. It just is. Thumbs up for the people behind this tune, not only for its pleasant melody but also for its lesson to listeners and producers of other genres, no matter whether they're underground or not. By the way, it hasn't been remixed yet, right?

I think the tune is quite horrible. The last album by the Black Eyed Peas was their mainstream break. And in all honesty their music has gone downhill so bad since this album. They used to have good stuff and i used to like their older stuff, but their newer stuff i will not touch. Its pure shit, espeically that 'shut up' song. They should STFU. They chose money over music imo.

Tune makes me wanna puke.

But, each to their own.

General Black Eye Peas Post

I have a lot of respect for the black eye peas. Mostly because they do not glorify crime or money like many artists in their genre. I am very tired of hearing about money, hoes, and killers.

[rant]
Life is not about how much you have. Also if you have to steal everyting you have do you really deserve it. [/rant]

Also from what I have heard of their early work it appears to be music for the sake of music. I do agree with Dmatrox that they have sold out and are making mainstream "shit". But there is also a lot of people out there who do not look for a backbeat. There are lot of people who base their music tastes on lyrics alone.

I also know that the genre contains much better artists than what we see on MTV/Much Music.

Another artist I have enjoyed lately is kayene west. Right up until he did a song with brandy that was pure crap.

I didn't bother reading the long ass explanation but what I do know is that this song sucks arse

I wouldn't consider it electronic dance music at all.

You can produce a country and western song with samplers if you wanted, but if you did you wouldn't label it as EDM.

It's not what the song is made with that categorises the song, it's how it actually sounds.

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Originally posted by DJAntSmith I wouldn't consider it electronic dance music at all. You can produce a country and western song with samplers if you wanted, but if you did you wouldn't label it as EDM. It's not what the song is made with that categorises the song, it's how it actually sounds.

Hip-hop is EDM.

Country and Western you might not consider EDM if it was made with samplers, but that's because C&W has a long history of being played on guitars, violins, drums and other physical instruments.

Hip-hop has never really used physical instruments, it's always been electronic.

did you hit your head or something?....

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Originally posted by webmeister Hip-hop is EDM. Country and Western you might not consider EDM if it was made with samplers, but that's because C&W has a long history of being played on guitars, violins, drums and other physical instruments. Hip-hop has never really used physical instruments, it's always been electronic.

I disagree. I would still argue the point that it's not what instruments the song in question is made with, but what the song sounds like.

Think about it. Even though Hip-Hop may not be made with standard musical instruments, you would not describe it as electronic.

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Originally posted by DJAntSmith I wouldn't consider it electronic dance music at all. You can produce a country and western song with samplers if you wanted, but if you did you wouldn't label it as EDM. It's not what the song is made with that categorises the song, it's how it actually sounds.

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Originally posted by webmeister Hip-hop is EDM. Country and Western you might not consider EDM if it was made with samplers, but that's because C&W has a long history of being played on guitars, violins, drums and other physical instruments. Hip-hop has never really used physical instruments, it's always been electronic.

In addition to this, there's also the fact that hip-hop share the same root as techno (eletro) and it relies heavily on synthetic sounds - country music has its sound based on guitars, folk instruments (?) and acoustic percussion, for example.

edit: If you want to use the umbrella genres, keep in mind that...

techno < electronica (which covers the "exotic genres" such as trance and d'n'b) < edm (which covers the genres that are danceable and made with the help of electronic equipment) < em (ambient and noise also fit here in case you argue you can't dance to these genres ) < music in general.

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Originally posted by Icesotope did you hit your head or something?....

Yes, I fell off the bath when I was young.


That's how I got into trance music

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It's not what the song is made with that categorises the song, it's how it actually sounds.

Not really. So then how do you describe progressive trance/house?

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Think about it. Even though Hip-Hop may not be made with standard musical instruments, you would not describe it as electronic.

WHy wouldn't you? Electronica derives it's name from it's origin...it's the stereotypes and preconceived notions of trance,house, techno jungle etc... that divide it and file under electronica.
In an informal sense, it woulnd't be electronica, but technicality and definitive wise, it's just as electronic as trance.

Man, that song is really old...

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