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Italian match-fixing claims...

I can't believe the level of paranoia in Italy. For a min, I will like to take your attention to 2 years ago, back to a World Cup group game between Italy and Mexico. Going into the last game Croatia needed a win and hope that Italy didn't get a point from their match with Mexico. Well, Croatia got their win and seemed like going through as Mexico had taken the lead (with a beautiful goal might I add). All of a sudden, Del Piero ties it around 10-15 mins before the end. Doom and gloom for the Croats but still a good 10 mins to play right? Wrong! I don't think the ball left the Italian back line those last ten minutes and it was the most disgusting thing I had ever seen (you should have heard what John Motson had to say). Fast forward 2 years later, they are complaining that Sweden didn't play the ball for 1 min after scoring. Unbelievable!

Just suck in your gut and bow out in dignity I say. It may seem rough, but that's football. All said and done, Italy didn't play well enough to deserve a quarter final place anyways.

I found this on si.com:

Buffon leads bitter Italian chorus

GUIMARAES, Portugal (Reuters) -- Italy goalkeeper Gianluigi Buffon said he was bitter about his team's early Euro 2004 exit, and suggested Denmark and Sweden should be ashamed.

"Someone should be ashamed and it is not us. I'm very bitter, I really didn't believe (this would happen) with two peoples who are proud of their spirit of fair play," Buffon said.

The 2-2 result between Denmark and Sweden ensured Italy's departure from the tournament despite their 2-1 victory over Bulgaria, a scenario many in the Italian camp had feared.

"When you talk for days about a result, a 2-2 result not just a draw, and then it comes out like this, well I'm very surprised," said Buffon.

"It was said that they need to give an example of football in front of everyone and then this happens," he added.

"All those who talk about fair play and sporting values should open their eyes," he added.

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I bet he hadn't even seen the match when he made these comments. At least they make him seem like a fool: The Italians are solely responsible for not getting any further in the turnament. They played badly against Denmark, and seemed content to win be a measly 1-0 against Sweden. Fortunately the Swedes punished this behaviour.

On an entirely different subject: The Danish consulate in Milan found its door plastered with eggs this morning, and has recieved foreboding phone calls, where mad Italians have threatened to puncture the tires of their cars (?).
What's most funny about this, is that it is probably an Italian cleaning lady who's going to clean up the eggs.

makes me laugh how two teams can fix a match at 2-2

especially with a goal like that from Thomasson

Italians just looking for a scapegoat

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Originally posted by Frase makes me laugh how two teams can fix a match at 2-2 especially with a goal like that from Thomasson Italians just looking for a scapegoat

Exactly, it's just an excuse to deflect attention from their appalling selections and plays

It would actually have been very easy to draw a match 2-2.

1) take the lead

2) Give away a needless penalty to bring it level.

3) Take the lead for the 2nd time in the match.

4) Drop the ball at the strikers feet in the last minute of the match to bring it back level.

Not that this happened or anything.

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Originally posted by chesco It would actually have been very easy to draw a match 2-2. 1) take the lead 2) Give away a needless penalty to bring it level. 3) Take the lead for the 2nd time in the match. 4) Drop the ball at the strikers feet in the last minute of the match to bring it back level. Not that this happened or anything.

Would make for good conspiracy reading except if you saw the game you would have to admit that there was nothing fixed about the Danish goals. One spectacular and the other off random shots after a corner. Added to that; the tackles that were flying in. As for "dropping the ball at the striker's feet" well I see James doing that all the time, no one's screaming of a conspiracy there. Besides, it was pouring down and the ball was coming in fast. Bottom line- every little error that any of the teams did on the field was going to be fuel for the Italian paranoia machine.

Actually, we forget that Italy HAD to win their game. Maybe Sweden and Denmark should be complaining that Bulgaria let them win in the final min to have a chance of going through.

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Originally posted by chesco Not that this happened or anything.

HULLO

i clearly said that it never happened.

if they had played better and won more games they have never been depended on other teams results.. but hey.. easy to complain when they are so freakin bad loosers..

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Originally posted by chesco HULLO i clearly said that it never happened.

ok i thought the "rolleyes" meant you were sarcastic...my bad

something has to be done about referying... its shameful

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Originally posted by malek something has to be done about referying... its shameful

Really? I have been quite content with the refereeing so far. I mean, they are not robots and won't get all the calls (and I for sure as hell do not want replay calls) but if you watch a lot of soccer week in week out, you'd know that the standard of refereeing has been ok so far.

WC 2002 was the real low point in my opinion.

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Originally posted by razmataz Really? I have been quite content with the refereeing so far. I mean, they are not robots and won't get all the calls (and I for sure as hell do not want replay calls) but if you watch a lot of soccer week in week out, you'd know that the standard of refereeing has been ok so far. WC 2002 was the real low point in my opinion.

how about 2 referies at once??

I haven't seen all the euro games (fucking work) but the poorest calls (or lack off) were during the french against Croatia (that hand by Trezeguet) and the two hands in the goalie area today in the german-czech game...

bah anyways... I'm loosing intrest in the sport

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Originally posted by malek how about 2 referies at once?? I haven't seen all the euro games (fucking work) but the poorest calls (or lack off) were during the french against Croatia (that hand by Trezeguet) and the two hands in the goalie area today in the german-czech game... bah anyways... I'm loosing intrest in the sport

Yeah handballs have been weird in this tournamnet. Apparantly, there has been a change in "definition" of handball in that a handball is only handball when it is intentional. I don't know how true this new definition is because this would be the first tournament using such a rule and it hasnt kicked up such a fuss.

Football is going through a transition patch I think. I long for an era of personalities. Gone are the days of names like Rumminege, Maradona, Mattiaus. Even players like Cruyff and Best who never won anything invoke a sense of romanticism. These were personalities that defined a generation of players and names that meant dedication and passion for the sport. Only Zidane can be spoken of in the same breadth I think. The corporate millions of Adidas, Pepsi and Nike try so hard to sell players like Beckham, Raul, Totti, Del Piero but they are all prima donnas in the grand scheme of things.

As someone who has played football all my life semi-professionally, however, I continue to watch and love the game. I am less passionate about supporting teams though and I just watch it for the sake of watching a good game. There is no sport like it in my opinion.

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Originally posted by razmataz Yeah handballs have been weird in this tournamnet. Apparantly, there has been a change in "definition" of handball in that a handball is only handball when it is intentional. I don't know how true this new definition is because this would be the first tournament using such a rule and it hasnt kicked up such a fuss.

That has always been the case.

Handballs were always only supposed to be given for "intentional" handballs, but it is up to the referee's judgement, and it is very hard to prove that a handball was not intentional.

Really I think it was a fixed game because somehow someone from Denmark said the score was going to end up 2-2, and to my surprise,it did end up on a tied that took Italy out.
I don't belive Italy should've passed,becuase surely they were playing very bad but yes like Buffon said

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All those who talk about fair play and sporting values should open their eyes,"

. I totally agree with him. That was everything expect fair play and sporting values.

In Tomasson's 2nd goal,it was a very wierd goal, but hey, Sweden and Denmark passed because they were simply playing better than the Italians.

G'day

It's good to taste your own remedy, uh, Italy? Bye bye, see you in WC 2006.

the handball rule always been like that, just that nowadays it's always considered unintentional for some reason

Pfft, it was the same story when Italy were eliminated from Korea/Japan

Real men win their own matches.

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Originally posted by Genesis Evolved Pfft, it was the same story when Italy were eliminated from Korea/Japan Real men win their own matches.

well we didn't loose one match and finished on the exact same points total as you. does that mean your not real men either.

I must say I think it's pretty absurd to think that the reult was pre-arranged, but I definately think sorensen had a hidden agenda when he dropped the ball right at the end.

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Originally posted by chesco well we didn't loose one match and finished on the exact same points total as you.

My point being that if Italy were so afraid of Swe-Den fixing the game, they were more than welcome to beat us. After all, they did play us both.


PS: I seriously think Berlusconi bribed Bulgaria. 4 mins overtime and Italy get their much needed goal, wtf?!

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Originally posted by Genesis Evolved PS: I seriously think Berlusconi bribed Bulgaria. 4 mins overtime and Italy get their much needed goal, wtf?!

Did you see the amount of diving and time wasting that the bulgarians were doing throughout the italy game.

btw i was kind of being sarcastic with my previous post, altho we finished on the same points total we never deserved to go any further.

Oh well here's to world cup 2006 and marcello lippi as coach.

I don't understand why the Italians can take a loss like everyone else... okay it's hard to get kicked out of the tournament but there's always a reason why but they chooses to blame something else instead of realising they weren't good enough.

I can say tomorrows game between Holland and Sweden will end up 3-1 to Holland but if that comes true... does that make the game a fixup ? No... cause then Sweden made to many mistakes which led to Hollands advantage... ( I still though hope for the best fro Sweden )




This is a small chat I had with an Italian friend...


***ELSA*** s�ger:
it was afaked game
just because we scare all the other teams and it was super to send us home
***ELSA*** s�ger:
it was clear it had been faked since the start......what a cpoincidence 2.2

-=2-2 CIAO CIAO ITALIA=- s�ger:
hahaha
You are hilarious
It was not a fake game... I watched the hole game and I can assure you it was for real

***ELSA*** s�ger:
i watched it too on a cassette
and i saw a lot of hilarious things
***ELSA*** s�ger:
like swedish fans with the 2-2 thing

-=2-2 CIAO CIAO ITALIA=- s�ger:
Can t the italian team take a loss

***ELSA*** s�ger:
we didn+t loose
we nwon yesterday+s match

-=2-2 CIAO CIAO ITALIA=- s�ger:
but they got kicked out...

***ELSA*** s�ger:
anyway sweden and danemark won+t go further
i wonder what u would say if i wrote on the net SPAIN ITALY 2-2 HEJ HEJ SVERIGE

***ELSA*** s�ger:
i don+t think it is so sporty

-=2-2 CIAO CIAO ITALIA=- s�ger:
haha its fun
Cause the media in Italy has been on this hole conspearicy thing all the time.... we are not like that...

You know the swedish word for spit ? spott... the media here call Totti for Spotti
-=2-2 CIAO CIAO ITALIA=- s�ger:
get over it... it�s just a game and we take it seriously.... italia should to

***ELSA*** s�ger:
doesn+t matter you shouldn�t be happy that another team was excluded
above all if u are friends from the other country
it is not sporty

-=2-2 CIAO CIAO ITALIA=- s�ger:
its just fun to see when they make something out of nothing

***ELSA*** s�ger:
in italy everyone is very close to the national team, it is just a game but for us it i also a tradition
it is like a piece of heart
yesterday i cried when they were kicked out

That pic was the funniest thing I've ever seen!!!

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/feature?id=303796&cc=3436

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