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Politically Correct Pop Machines!

Well its come to this.... Pop and chips are now the devil in our politically correct society.

STOP THE INSANITY! We need to do with the REAL issues in this country fogod sakes! Let the kids have their pepsi because otherwise theyll just go next door to get it and the school loses all that gym equipment money.

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Snack Attack Kids who crave the sugar and fizz of pop or the fattiness of junk food are out of luck. On Wednesday Education Minister Gerard Kennedy said Ontario elementary schools won�t be allowed to peddle junk food or soft drinks in the fall, even if sponsorship deals are in place. The Toronto District School Board is on the verge of putting the finishing touches on a five-year agreement with Pepsi-Cola worth $6 million. The contract would allow vending machines into the elementary schools. But Kennedy said the soft drink companies have promised not to stock the machines with pop, chocolate bars or other junk. He explained that there are other brands the companies sell water and juice under, and that there won�t even be a Pepsi logo on the vendors. The Toronto board says the cash from Pepsi is crucial because it pays for a variety of things such as breakfast programs, athletic events and field trips.

I wouldnt want my kids drinking pop, that stuff kills you.

Also, many people don't know this, bu most fruit juices contain more sugar than pop. So if coke/pepsi has like 7 or 8 spoons of sugar in a can, a bottle of juice will average out to about 9 or even 10 spoons. How fucked up is that.

i rarely drink pop

and i mean rarely

its mostly water....goood old water

mmm mmmm...sooo tasteless

i think it's a good idea. with the decrease in popularity in extra curricular sports, these kids are turning into real fat asses. they need to do something.

i have a cousin who used to be skinny as a stick. now he weighs more than i do, and he's only 12 years old.

he does not have a weight problem

i've gone to pick him up after school before and when i looked in the play ground, i saw sooooo many fat kids. it's getting really bad.

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Originally posted by Cal I wouldnt want my kids drinking pop, that stuff kills you. Also, many people don't know this, bu most fruit juices contain more sugar than pop. So if coke/pepsi has like 7 or 8 spoons of sugar in a can, a bottle of juice will average out to about 9 or even 10 spoons. How fucked up is that.

Sugar isn't bad for you per se, it's the refined sugar they put in pop that's deadly. All fruit contains natural sugars that are actually good for you in moderate quantities (bottle of juice is just fine).

Having said that, if you're talking about crap like Snapple that actually DOES use artificial, refined sugar, then that's going to be equally deadly. I'm talking about drinks like Fruitopia (Canada only), Tropicana, or any of the other "100% juice, not from concentrate" ones.

The problem is that parents don't pack lunches for their kids...they hand them $5 and kids will go to the cafeteria and have a beef patty, chocolate milk or pop, and a bag of chips. That great

parents are just as lazy as their kids.

I won't even get into it...90% of the population has no idea what proper nutrition is...they still believe the "4 food groups" bullshit.

Whatever happened to parents actually parenting their kids. Teaching them about eating healthy, a balanced diet and EXERCISE. There will always be candy and pop available out there for our youth, the problem is the youth today just abuse it as they don't know any better. Teachers, the Education Minister and other people who seem to spend more time with our children then we do should not be responsible this kind of parenting. Set a good example at home by making healthy meals, teach them how to make healthy snacks for themselves, make them understand how important it is to have balance and exercise in their day. It can't be that hard, just pay some attention to what they are putting in their mouths at home, get them off the couch and back onto their bikes and guide them in the right direction.

As Jayx1 said, we need to start focusing on what the real problems are and not allow other people to simply bandaid them because we are to lazy to deal with real issues as parents.

omfg angelgirl, your sig rocks!!!!

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Here's the deal. If kids want pop and junk food they will just go next door to get it. So, why not continue to allow the schools to benefit from the revenue instead? You and I both know that just because they have a vending machine full of unsweetened juice and granola bars.... oh wait those are banned too.... but anyways kids arent going to buy it just because its there, kids are going to buy because they WANT to. Why not offer the CHOICE of junk and healthy food?

You see, the biggest problem with our society today is that we as a society and through our government, take away choice from people in all aspects of life. Im personally sick of it.

I'm with angelgirl...the problem is parenting and the gov't is trying to be a secondary parent. If there weren't cafeterias in schools, some kids wouldn't eat breakfast.

sure it sucks...but look at the stats (especially south of the border). A disgusting # of kids are malnourished and obese...mainly due to poor nutritional education and poor parenting.

Sadly the government seems to keep trying to be our second parent from cradle to grave and increasingly so. Im sick of the government treating all of society as if it were 10 years old.

Yes it could be bad parenting, but it could also be attributed to other issues. One of them .... branding!!!

I don't think we should totally remove pop machines from schools because our school system needs the added revenue to run extra curricular events. When I was in high school we had a contract with Coca Cola and our pop machines made our student council over 10 000 a year. These monies were used to buy new school uniforms, to send students on conferences, etc. So in my opinion they should remain within the school, but these machines should offer healthier choices (ie., water, juice, gatorade, etc).

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Here's the deal. If kids want pop and junk food they will just go next door to get it. So, why not continue to allow the schools to benefit from the revenue instead? You and I both know that just because they have a vending machine full of unsweetened juice and granola bars.... oh wait those are banned too.... but anyways kids arent going to buy it just because its there, kids are going to buy because they WANT to. Why not offer the CHOICE of junk and healthy food? You see, the biggest problem with our society today is that we as a society and through our government, take away choice from people in all aspects of life. Im personally sick of it.

Schools need to stop endorsing the obesity epidemic. Period.

Go read Greg Christer's "Fat Land" and then we can have an intelligent debate.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Sadly the government seems to keep trying to be our second parent from cradle to grave and increasingly so. Im sick of the government treating all of society as if it were 10 years old.

It's all part of our society's denial of responsibility.
People don't want to have to think for themselves or heaven forbid, actually have to do something about it; they want the government to fix it for them and cry when they don't.

It all goes back to the way we were molded in the world of 'school'.
You don't think for yourself and don't fail! OMG! If you fail, you're a failure.
Those rap singers on TV? They were instant successes you know.
So what do people do? Nothing.
Why? Because they're not even willing to try and make a change for fear of what others will say if they shouldn't make it.
So let's just let others run our life and that's the irony of the whole situation.
They're not steering thier own ship and then complain when they don't like where they end up...


P.S. go vote....

I heard some whiney 16 y/o girl on the radio today who was a part of a "student action group" against having soda machines in the school because of the "subversive branding" that the machines bathe the students in...

The whole time I was thinking: God girl! Don't you have something better to do with your time? When I was 16 I was chasin' tail, playing football and causin' ruckas...

Mind boggling... She must have socialist, union-member parents... (j/k)...

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Sadly the government seems to keep trying to be our second parent from cradle to grave and increasingly so. Im sick of the government treating all of society as if it were 10 years old.

it's an endless debate...periodic gov't intervention vs. 100% free choice.

The fact of the matter is that malnutrition and obesity have been proven to lead to dramatically increased chances of many diseases...I have a real problem that our healthcare system is burdened because of the stupidity or ignorance of so many people. You want to smoke a pack a day or eat like an American? great, sign a waiver relinquishing your free healthcare, lol...yes, I'm being sarcastic...but I do think that health agencies do need to take a proactive role. Replacing pop machines with water, juice, etc isn't such a bad thing.

if the gov't didn't take similar actions, we'd have an obesity epidemic like our southern neighbours...

I think what the government is trying to do is good. I think it is too little to late for all those people already affected by obiesity and its health probelms.

I don't think people realize how bad this epidemic really is. Eventually inactivity and extreme over eating can lead to type 2 diabetes and if left untreated SERIOUS complications can occur.

Trust me this is something the government needs to step in and at least try and prevent the next generation from having to go through.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Here's the deal. If kids want pop and junk food they will just go next door to get it.

you keep saying this.

how exactly does a kid 'go next door'. i wasn't allowed to leave the classroom for lunch eating until grade 9. do kids in toronto roam the streets at lunch?

clearly the problem is food here, the government should intervene, and randomly torch supermarkets...damnit supermarkets selling us deadly food

but seriously, for ppl saying 'oh we need the money, so lets put in something healthy' well ur gonna lose a lot of money that way,, youre not gonna get even close to the amount of sales you had w junk stuff

So?
Smoking kills and everyone knows it and yet how many people smoke...
Schools by the way aren't endorsing obesity...often they get sponsorship deals and it's their only way to survive in our crappy system...

In any case IMO it's the choises you make in life, just like anything else

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Originally posted by ericF Yes it could be bad parenting, but it could also be attributed to other issues. One of them .... branding!!! I don't think we should totally remove pop machines from schools because our school system needs the added revenue to run extra curricular events. When I was in high school we had a contract with Coca Cola and our pop machines made our student council over 10 000 a year. These monies were used to buy new school uniforms, to send students on conferences, etc. So in my opinion they should remain within the school, but these machines should offer healthier choices (ie., water, juice, gatorade, etc).

CHOICE is the key word here.

As for branding.... for god sakes whats next, banning anyone under 18 from watching tv commercials? Where does it end?? What an insult to the intelligence of anyone under 19.

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Originally posted by Skipper Schools need to stop endorsing the obesity epidemic. Period.

This is worth repeating. lol

Schools have more social responsibility than, say, Nike Canada or Coca Cola does. A corporation's intention is to sell product/reap profit. As is the case with coke/McDonalds/etc, they have no problem targeting an audience that (for the most part) does not know enough about the consequences of thier choices to know the difference. Not only do they endorse obesity and unhealthy food choices, they blatantly encourage it through advertising.

Schools, however, don't need to do this. They are being targeted by corporations because of their huge influence on and access to the market. (kids) It's time for them to stand up to these corporations and tell them they won't sacrifice the health of children for money.

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Originally posted by Skipper This is worth repeating. lol Schools have more social responsibility than, say, Nike Canada or Coca Cola does. A corporation's intention is to sell product/reap profit. As is the case with coke/McDonalds/etc, they have no problem targeting an audience that (for the most part) does not know enough about the consequences of thier choices to know the difference. Not only do they endorse obesity and unhealthy food choices, they blatantly encourage it through advertising. Schools, however, don't need to do this. They are being targeted by corporations because of their huge influence on and access to the market. (kids) It's time for them to stand up to these corporations and tell them they won't sacrifice the health of children for money.

Look at my comment above ^^
It's not the schools we should be blaming...
Nobody forces you to buy coke/pepsi/or whatever anyways...they sell water too...like I said...it's the choises you make...nobody twists your arm

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Originally posted by Skipper This is worth repeating. lol Schools have more social responsibility than, say, Nike Canada or Coca Cola does. A corporation's intention is to sell product/reap profit. As is the case with coke/McDonalds/etc, they have no problem targeting an audience that (for the most part) does not know enough about the consequences of thier choices to know the difference. Not only do they endorse obesity and unhealthy food choices, they blatantly encourage it through advertising. Schools, however, don't need to do this. They are being targeted by corporations because of their huge influence on and access to the market. (kids) It's time for them to stand up to these corporations and tell them they won't sacrifice the health of children for money.

BIG DEAL! So then they walk down the street and see a Pepsi billboard. Turn on tv and watch a pepsi commercial. Meanwhile the schools are missing out on funding for gym equipment which could actually be worthwhile. If we want to cut down on obesity maybe we should offer more choices such as public transportation and sports programmes. So a corperation wants to make money... OH THE HORRORS!!! Lets take their money and put it to good use.

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Originally posted by starsearcher Look at my comment above ^^ It's not the schools we should be blaming... Nobody forces you to buy coke/pepsi/or whatever anyways...they sell water too...like I said...it's the choises you make...nobody twists your arm

You're talking about me - an adult. I have the capacity to know and choose what I put into my body, and the consequences of doing so.

Children do not. Many of them have no idea that too much fast food and pop can lead them to type 2 diabetes and a lifetime of related health problems.

Youth obesity is an EPIDEMIC. Fat people are the next group of smokers - it's just the awareness about the consquences of obesity are not as well known by the public - YET.

How would you feel if cigarette companies sponsored grade school sports teams in exchange for placing cigarette vending machines in classrooms?

Doesn't it seem ABSURD?! One day fast food in schools will be too.

This is a subject I'm extremely passionate about and have read up on extensively. (children/advertising/obesity) You won't convince me that schools endorsing unhealthy food choices is a good thing, at any cost.

You may also want to watch "SuperSize me."

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